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> OK. Whichever way you use, you must compress the coil spring with
> spring clamps before you can remove the ball joint. See more below.
Ok, I did c900 balljoints recently, and this is totally not true. You just need
to insert spacers between the body and the upper A-arm, as detailed in the
Bentley manual (and here's a tip from me- if you're not using the offical Saab
spacer tool, make sure the spacers you use on either side of the A-arm are the
same size. Otherwise the A-arm gets twisted a bit by the pressure of the spring
and it's really tough to get the ball joints in and out of the A-arm). Also, I
used a cheap ball joint fork rather than a press tool. It took some hammering,
but it worked just fine.
Good luck,
John
Charles C. - 02 Oct 2005 19:45 GMT
>>OK. Whichever way you use, you must compress the coil spring with
>>spring clamps before you can remove the ball joint. See more below.
>
> Ok, I did c900 balljoints recently, and this is totally not true.
Me thinks you are wrong
(a) you did not read all the message where I mentioned jamming up the
suspension (ok you mentioned spacers).
(b) The idea of using the clamps is over and above jamming or spacing
the wishbone as they will take a lot of the tension whether the tension
goes on the wishbone or on the inner wing. Both of which - according to
your and my message - are known to collapse.
(c) The book does not tell you to use clamps nor does it tell you that
your 15-20 year old car will collapse if pressure is put in the wrong place.
> You just need
> to insert spacers between the body and the upper A-arm, as detailed in the
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> used a cheap ball joint fork rather than a press tool. It took some hammering,
> but it worked just fine.
And if you are lucky you will have done only small damage to the
alignment of the wishbone. And that for a tool that costs (in Blighty
any way) 10GBP versus a fork that costs half that.
> Good luck,
>
> John
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John B - 02 Oct 2005 20:18 GMT
> (b) The idea of using the clamps is over and above jamming or spacing
> the wishbone as they will take a lot of the tension whether the tension
> goes on the wishbone or on the inner wing. Both of which - according to
> your and my message - are known to collapse.
Ok, fair enough. But I think that if you can't see any cracks in the A-arms
and the body is rust-free, it's probably ok.
> And if you are lucky you will have done only small damage to the
> alignment of the wishbone. And that for a tool that costs (in Blighty
> any way) 10GBP versus a fork that costs half that.
Yes, I fully acknowledge the superiority of the press tool. I ended up using a
fork because I couldn't find an alternative in the time I had alotted for tool
shopping that day. Any damage incurred by the wishbone has yet to manifest
itself, though of course it could be subtle.
The main thing is that none of my wheels have fallen off. Yet.
John
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 06 Oct 2005 05:00 GMT
>>>OK. Whichever way you use, you must compress the coil spring with
>>>spring clamps before you can remove the ball joint. See more below.
>>
>> Ok, I did c900 balljoints recently, and this is totally not true.
>Me thinks you are wrong
>(a) you did not read all the message where I mentioned jamming up the
>suspension (ok you mentioned spacers).
>(b) The idea of using the clamps is over and above jamming or spacing
>the wishbone as they will take a lot of the tension whether the tension
>goes on the wishbone or on the inner wing. Both of which - according to
>your and my message - are known to collapse.
Never heard of this happening but if the car has been abused and spacers
have not been used in the past the body metal could well be deformed or
damaged and not be able to take the pressure. My home-made spacers spread
the load out and will not slip out - that's just as important as having them
the same size, etc.
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>I wish you would stop talking about galleries and cr@p (below) and talk
>about the ball joint. It is confusing to understand what exactly is
>your problem in between plugs for your site.
Fair point Charles. I'm sorry if anyone's getting offending by mentioning
the links into bit's of my sites in most of my postings. If anyone wants to
talk about this more please email my privately and we'll nut it out.
>OK. Whichever way you use, you must compress the coil spring with
>spring clamps before you can remove the ball joint. See more below.
I have made up my own upper control arm spacer tools which take the place of
Saab's special tool. Dave New's balljoint guide shows bundles of washers
taped together but I made something using pieces of 44 mm high blank rack
panel cut up and bolted so that the rough-cut edges dig into the dirt and
crud and won't slip out when the jack pushing up the lower control arm is
lowered again. I do have some pics on the site - won't post the URL at the
moment unless someone asks.
> From memory the above ball joint separator would be difficult :-) to
>use on one of the two balljoints - bottom probably - as there is no
>space between the threaded end of the ball joint and the hub(?) where
>the pivoting arm of the ball joint has to fit.
There is a little trick here - I took off the brake disk after removing the
brake caliper and holding it up with some wire (pics are online of this -
more on the digital cam which will come off later today). Then I undid the
three small 10 mm head bolts holding the protective plate onto the steering
swivel member and moved it forward, which then provides plenty of access to
get a tool (press or seperator fork as I used) into the bottom balljoint.
>I only had to remove one ball joint and by then (because of cv boot
>experience) I found the easiest way for me was to:
>a. jam and clamp spring as described above.
>b. Remove two bolts of brake caliper and suspend from coil spring
>c. remove clip from inner boot of drive shaft.
>d. remove bolts of both upper and lower ball joints
>e. remove drive knuckle thingie
>Take the complete hub off on the bench, you can then replace ball joints
>CV boots and admire it :-)
I'm trying to avoid going that far. I ended up enlisting my wife and between
the two of us we worked out that we hadn't been hitting the end of the fork
hard enough and after more brutal (controlled!) hitting with the hammer, the
swivel member dropped off the top ball joint! The bottom ball joint was
easier to remove and replacment was much easier since the whole lower
control arm could then be moved downwards with relative ease to slide the
new balljoint into place.
>PS. Is this photo from this job
>http://www.saab900classic.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=
191&g2_GALLERYSID=318e53d2478e394ade7864c4aca34dbe
>One wheel bolt being knackered?
>Or is this an older photo?
He he yes that's the side I have been working on. The car came to be with
the wheel stud broken - that definitely is a press job to get out.
That side is mostly all back together now but I've had a really good look at
all the bushes and they're all going to need replacement before I
re-register the car later in the year. I'm going to start with the shock
bushings and replace them with poly ones to try them out.
I've got a really good close-up picture of the brake caliper piston from
that side of the car which I need to pull off the camera. The caliper is in
a bit of a sad state so I'm not sure whether to have a go at rebuilding it
or just buying a remanufactured caliper to replace it.
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Charles C. - 06 Oct 2005 21:44 GMT
>>I wish you would stop talking about galleries and cr@p (below) and talk
>>about the ball joint. It is confusing to understand what exactly is
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> the links into bit's of my sites in most of my postings. If anyone wants to
> talk about this more please email my privately and we'll nut it out.
No brother, it is simple. Use a footer in your email messages separated
by two hyphens like in my message, then you plug your site there.
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No wonder you live in a dry country
http://www.saab900classic.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=221
Yes you could undo the bolts of the disk guard ... mine 1983 model (long
gone to where all good old cars go) was - how to put it - a bit rusty.
Well worth working on your car.
Charles

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Craig's Saab C900 Site - 06 Oct 2005 22:42 GMT
>>>I wish you would stop talking about galleries and cr@p (below) and talk
>>>about the ball joint. It is confusing to understand what exactly is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> the links into bit's of my sites in most of my postings. If anyone wants to
>> talk about this more please email my privately and we'll nut it out.
>No brother, it is simple. Use a footer in your email messages separated
>by two hyphens like in my message, then you plug your site there.
I don't think I'm your brother. 8-) I do use a footer - it's called a
.signature in *nix parlance.
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Charles C. - 06 Oct 2005 23:56 GMT
> I don't think I'm your brother. 8-) I do use a footer - it's called a
> .signature in *nix parlance.
>
> Craig.
Honestly I looked for the signature (I thought that was windoze talk)
and did not see it. I must have looked in my quoted reply which
correctly cut it off. APOLOGIES to you :-)
Now on you go to read my reply about the nut and the A arm :-)
Charles

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