Thinking of buying one.
pros and cons
thanks
James Sweet - 25 Oct 2005 02:43 GMT
> Thinking of buying one.
> pros and cons
> thanks
The V6 engines are largely regarded as junk, I would strongly suggest
walking away from that car, find one with the Saab turbo 4 instead as
it's a much better motor than the GM sourced V6.
ma_twain - 25 Oct 2005 02:53 GMT
I have a 1994 NG900 with the V6. I am selling the car because of the
V6. Let count the reasons:
1. Timing belt either breaks or slips out of time - must replace before
30,000 mile or when it slips. If you don't you will need a new head
shortly as well as a new timing belt.
2. AC tubing - there is one long piece that rubs on the engine. It
develops a leak and is a major pain and expense to replace.
3. V6 design has flexible (read breaks from flexing) exhaust Y pipe -
not expensive, but a poor design.
4. Oil cooler in built into the water jacket on top of the engine - a
pain to replace and if it leaks . . .
5. Spark plug placement - major pain to reach the back 3, but not unique
to Saab - common to GM engines, which this is . . .
6. DI Cassettes - two of them - twice the fun
7. Rough idle which could never be fixed - learn to live with it
8. Oil leaks . . . .
Non engine issues:
1. Automatic transmission has electrical issues - expensive control unit
2. AC control panel and AC air flow motor are common failures - and not
inexpensive
3. Ignition switch fails - car act as if it was just turned off - more
fun at night on the highway (no lights)
4. Water collects on the hatchback, so when you open the hatch the water
drips into the trunk
PROs
If you enjoy working on the engine, this is the car for you. All of the
mechanical issues can be handled by frequent maintenance. If you do the
labor yourself, it would not be terribly expensive to own. I had a Ford
when I was younger. I learned alot, out of necessity, about how to
fix a car and diagnose electrical problems. It was fun back then, but
not now when I am older. The car does have very good seats and a
reasonable suspension - better than a Camry but it is not remotely close
to an SPG. With the manual transmission, this could be a fun car, as
long as you can handle the engine issues. I have a spare headlight
wiper, four snow tires on steel rims, and roof racks for this car, if
you are interested. For a steal you could buy my car as well and use it
as a parts car. Pull the engine so you have a ready replacement for
yours when you need it. It also has many new parts: AC control unit, AC
tubing, head, ignition switch, battery cables, battery, cruise control,
brake switch etc.
> Thinking of buying one.
> pros and cons
> thanks
Jim M - 25 Oct 2005 03:36 GMT
I have a 1995 900S 2.3L 4-cyl, non-turbo, standard. I've owned it since new,
and it's now got 135k on it. The best car I've ever owned; my Toyotas and my
Acura were rusted far beyond repair long before 10 years in New England.
Maybe a few more minor mechanical issues in the Saab, but nothing major, and
it doesn't feel like a P.O.S. after a few years.
I'd avoid the V-6 like the plague based on what I've read about it since it
first came out. Look for a 4-cyl, get a turbo if you want more fun from the
"GO" pedal. I find the non-turbo adequate, but certainly would have opted
for the turbo if money wasn't such a consideration when I bought it. (and
still is) I've done all my own work, and never had to touch the engine,
clutch, or transmission on this car, except for normal maintainence items. I
drive it hard and maintain it accordingly. You can change the air filter,
dist. cap/rotor, and spark plugs in about 30 minutes total, and not even get
dirty.
> Thinking of buying one.
> pros and cons
> thanks
Malt_Hound - 25 Oct 2005 15:54 GMT
> Thinking of buying one.
> pros and cons
> thanks
Con: V6 engines a dog. '95 has cable operated clutch probe to fail.
Pros: Find a '98 or later 4 cylinder

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Malt_Hound - 25 Oct 2005 15:59 GMT
>> Thinking of buying one.
>> pros and cons
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> Pros: Find a '98 or later 4 cylinder
That would be " *prone* to fail"

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hippo - 26 Oct 2005 08:24 GMT
>Thinking of buying one.
>pros and cons
>thanks
To quote our Saab mechanic of 15 years,
"well yes, of course I'll work on it, after all it's your money, but I'd
still advise against it. If you're going for the GM, buy a 4, preferably a
turbo, but better still buy a low mileage 9000 Anniversary."
He listed timing belt & head problems, plus excessive tyre and front end
wear as common enough problems to be considered normal, so we didn't buy
it. Immaculate car though! Cheers
ShazWozza - 26 Oct 2005 14:41 GMT
> To quote our Saab mechanic of 15 years,
> "well yes, of course I'll work on it, after all it's your money, but I'd
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> wear as common enough problems to be considered normal, so we didn't buy
> it. Immaculate car though! Cheers
I think the issue of the Vauxhall V6 engine being shitful is over stated. A
family member has one in a car which has now clocked up over 350,000km. The
engine has only ever had timing belt changes, plugs, radiator hoses, some
suspension bushes and regular changes of dino oil. It still runs like a
charm and uses no oil between changes.
The only problem issues with it have been rocker cover oil leaks (easily and
cheaply fixed) and a fuel pump failure at 300,000km. The engine
consistently produces excellent fuel economy and will usually see 7l/100 or
less on the highway.
The oil coiler is a potential problem. It is supposed to be always fully
immersed in coolant however people who don't religiously maintain the
coolant level properly can experience corrosion. I understand that later
versions use a stainless steel oil cooler which has fixed that weak point.
I can't say that excessive tyre wear has been a problem.
ma_twain - 28 Oct 2005 14:33 GMT
>>To quote our Saab mechanic of 15 years,
>>"well yes, of course I'll work on it, after all it's your money, but I'd
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>
> I can't say that excessive tyre wear has been a problem.
So GM made one good engine. I am working from personal experience and repair bills.
The GM V6 is a very expensive engine to maintain (how much did your
family member pay for the timing belt changes?) compared to the Saab
four cylinder. I have owned 8 valve and turbo charged four cylinder 16
valve Swedish Saabs. So I know what it cost to maintain these engines
over decades. I curently drive a 1993 C900. It has more power and gets
better gas mileage than the V6. It also handles much better. I have
standing offers from other people to buy it from me any day. I cannot
say the same thing about the NG 900 V6. The reason I am selling the GM
900 V6 is because I don't want to spend any more money fixing that GM
engine.