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Car Forum / Saab Cars / October 2005

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Saab biopower featured on UK TV

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Pooh Bear - 25 Oct 2005 05:46 GMT
Only a passing reference but a feature about the use generally in
Sweden of various sources of biofuel on the BBC programme Newsnight
showed the new biopower Saabs.

The *star item* in the report was a train fuelled by biomethane made
from cows intestines !

Apparently it seems that Sweden is currently importing bio-ethanol
from Brazil to meet current E85 usage.

Graham
Paul Halliday - 25 Oct 2005 09:38 GMT
> Only a passing reference but a feature about the use generally in
> Sweden of various sources of biofuel on the BBC programme Newsnight
> showed the new biopower Saabs.
>
> The *star item* in the report was a train fuelled by biomethane made
> from cows intestines !

Yeah, that part was just "offal" :)

> Apparently it seems that Sweden is currently importing bio-ethanol
> from Brazil to meet current E85 usage.

Although certainly no more harmful than a tanker full of crude oil, I did
wonder what the environmental impact of shipping is ... Not to mention the
environmental risk of that ship failing at sea.

What astounded me was that Sweden as a nation had pledged to replace
something like 2% (or was it 3%) of oil usage with alternative fuel sources
by the end of next year, compared to 0.2% by the UK. Shameful!

The figure of something like 5.75% by then end of 2007 was also cited and
the programme noted that kommunes such as Lidköping had already achieved
that target.

The reporter driving the E85 powered 9-5 gave, what I thought was, an
underwhelming report. He said it was "nice to drive", which gave the
impression that it was still sub-petrol feeling/performance. Perhaps he
meant there was no difference, or no degraded performance, but it dodn't
come across that way. SAAB found that a standard 150 BHP 9-5 when fuelled
with E85 returned 180 BHP and better fuel economy in both urban and
extra-urban conditions. The urban condition is the clincher, since that's
where pollution is most concentrated.

That the Bio-power 9-5 comes on sale here in the UK next year was also not
mentioned, nor was it clarified that the Bio-power 9-5 will run on 100%
petrol through to 15% (85% ethanol) without issue. Not a great job of
clearing up the FUD surrounding alternative fuel sources, IMO, but an
interesting and shaming documentary (for some nations) nevertheless.

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
David Taylor - 27 Oct 2005 10:42 GMT
> What astounded me was that Sweden as a nation had pledged to replace
> something like 2% (or was it 3%) of oil usage with alternative fuel sources
> by the end of next year, compared to 0.2% by the UK. Shameful!

It doesn't astound me at all.  Where's the incentive?  Fuel tax on
petrol is rather a major source of income for HMG.

I wish they'd put a huge tax on fireworks instead.

> That the Bio-power 9-5 comes on sale here in the UK next year was also not
> mentioned, nor was it clarified that the Bio-power 9-5 will run on 100%
> petrol through to 15% (85% ethanol) without issue. Not a great job of

Is there anywhere you could fill up?

David.
John Hudson - 27 Oct 2005 17:31 GMT
> I wish they'd put a huge tax on fireworks instead.

Unfortunately we don't do sensible things like that.

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