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FS: Made a mistake. 1992 T16S convertible UK.

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NeedforSwede2 - 06 Nov 2005 14:21 GMT
Anyone want a cheap winter project?
£2300 no offers for anyone on here, otherwise I would advertise it for a
lot more.

Not long bought, but more than I can do to put right.

Main body is very solid, but some rust arround the windscreen surround
that will need sorting.
Inside the sides of the bonnet are rusting but nothing coming through.
Some rust on the back bottom edge of the boot.
Needs a new soft top, leaks down the side of the rear quarters into the
vinyl pouch that + has other patches.
Drivers seat leather very worn on door edge side (lowest point patches
with Gaffer). Electric seats work perfectly.
Cruise doesn't work, but I know few that do.
Fuel gauge sender bust and half fell into tank.

Thats the bad sh.t I know of.
30+mpg commuting, 36+ on a good run.
Very good stuff.
Full complete aero kit, some scuffs but no cracks or missing bits.
212k on the clock, but reciepts from the last owner for shells and crank
regrind, headgasket and skim.
Recon turbo
Secondhand low mileage geabox as the original was jumping out of
reverse. new front engine mount.
Reciepts for discs and pads within the last 2 years.
Uses or loses no oil, doesn't overheat, makes normal full boost.
This is an FPT not an LPT
Roof mech and motor work perfectly.
Sony radio cassette with changer interface that will take an MP3
changer.
Philips pro speakers instead of the standard paper Philips.

Never ever buy a dream, you will be disappointed.
help me out here, missus wants blood, she though my last Toyota was a
lot more sensible. Looks like a 9k LPT might be on the cards, would
consider a swap for a very good nick 2.3 9k Anniversary or Aero (FPT or
LPT).
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Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Malt_Hound - 06 Nov 2005 16:58 GMT
> Anyone want a cheap winter project?
> £2300 no offers for anyone on here, otherwise I would advertise it for a
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> consider a swap for a very good nick 2.3 9k Anniversary or Aero (FPT or
> LPT).

I don't get it Carl.  Why would anyone want to trade you a 9k Anni (or
even worse an Aero) in "very good nick" for this car that is such a
rolling heap that you can't stand to keep it?

I have to tell you... the one thing that makes me shy away from buying
any car is body rust.  I can fix just about anything mechanical myself,
but bringing an older car to the body shop that has *any* amount of rust
is losing proposition.

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NeedforSwede2 - 06 Nov 2005 18:44 GMT
>> Anyone want a cheap winter project?
>> £2300 no offers for anyone on here, otherwise I would advertise it for a
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>even worse an Aero) in "very good nick" for this car that is such a
>rolling heap that you can't stand to keep it?

Thing is, it is a very light repair for someone who can go body work, or
wants to get into convertible ownership for a restoration price.

The things like the bonnet and boot aren't so bad, even if you wanted to
replace them.  genuine OEM spec bonnet from Euro carparts is £300, a
pattern one is £150 + paint (and it isn't metallic).

>I have to tell you... the one thing that makes me shy away from buying
>any car is body rust.  I can fix just about anything mechanical myself,
>but bringing an older car to the body shop that has *any* amount of rust
>is losing proposition.

I know it sounds bad, but really isn't.
And you wouldn't believe (I still can't believe seeing as what I paid),
the prices that C900 convertibles sell for. A good one with arround
150k+ original miles regularly get sold for £5-7k. I reckon about a
grand spending and it would be a £4k car (if you can DIY the roof and
welding).

9000s, even Aeros and Annis appear to be down to peanuts, while £1800 is
the bare base starting price for a wreck for a C900 convert turbo.

It has MOT until August 2006, and Tax until end of Jan 2006, so it isn't
as if I'm selling up because everything is running out. I'm still not
sure how the last guy got it through an MOT with the screen surrund so
bad. It certainly isn't rotten, but it definatley needs some new metal
adding in a couple of small places.

I could drive it until spring, bail the water out where it leaks in the
back and flog it in the spring for silly money with a bit of a bodge and
filler job where the surround looks flaky and put it up for £3k, but I
can't do that. I would rather someone else got an honest winter resto
that they can see, at about the market price. I paid £2500 for it in
August, the roof isn't as great as I hoped, and now I've found the
additional rust than what I was told about (blind ebay buy from a guy
selling because he was going abroad). I don't have access to even a
lockup, so all my repairs get done in the alley at the back of the
house. That would mean paying for someone to fit a new roof, and do the
welding and probably fitting a new windscreen if the one breaks (that
would be easy on fully comp insurance) while the repair is being done.
All that adds to what I would need to pay out.

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Paul Halliday - 06 Nov 2005 21:23 GMT
>> Anyone want a cheap winter project?
>> £2300 no offers for anyone on here, otherwise I would advertise it for a
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> even worse an Aero) in "very good nick" for this car that is such a
> rolling heap that you can't stand to keep it?

I know of a couple of people who have traded out late 9Ks for C900
convertibles.

When you don't have a garage or somewhere to get the car off the road, any
old(er) car needing TLC can be a handful. I'm reading between the lines a
little, but I think that's where Carl is with this car. No time and/or space
to deal with it. If he had space, it would be full of old car and he'd have
another daily driver. It is as he describes - a good project car, most of
the way "there" and in need of finishing and cherishing.

The right person will come along Carl, I'm sure of that. The price at just
over 2K is not at all bad for a C900 convertible already with leather and
bodykit, but do be aware that they shift of eBay for less. Is it not a
possibility that a nearby SAAB specialist would take it as part-exchange for
a late 9K? My mate got an almost pristine 2.3 Anni for just short of 3K
recently.

Shame - perhaps later, when you have the facilities to deal with "the
dream", it'll be worthwhile. I keep putting off the Citroen CX and the
Triumph Spitfire for the same reasons ... and found two C900s to be more
than I could cope with and (kicks self again!!!) let the flat nose go :(

Chin up, pal. Good luck!

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/

Vart tog vägen vägen?
SAAB : Nothing on earth comes close
NeedforSwede2 - 06 Nov 2005 23:10 GMT
>I know of a couple of people who have traded out late 9Ks for C900
>convertibles.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>another daily driver. It is as he describes - a good project car, most of
>the way "there" and in need of finishing and cherishing.

It would make an excellent daily driver with some TLC. And yes it has to
be a daily driver.

Given the time space and facilities I would definatley keep it, and have
it as part of the "museum". Not some mouldy old showroom, but somewhere
where I had a full collection of working cars that had to earn their
keep.
>The right person will come along Carl, I'm sure of that. The price at just
>over 2K is not at all bad for a C900 convertible already with leather and
>bodykit, but do be aware that they shift of eBay for less. Is it not a
>possibility that a nearby SAAB specialist would take it as part-exchange for
>a late 9K? My mate got an almost pristine 2.3 Anni for just short of 3K
>recently.

TBH, it could do with new front skins for the seat backs, or a panel
replacing, at least on the drivers side.
I did consider maybe a part ex, but the problem with trade is they want
some cash. Other enthusiasts are willing sometimes for a straight swap.
I that means they take on the work, but if they are a welder or sprayer
who wants a 900 and is bored with their 9k or GM900, such things happen.

>Shame - perhaps later, when you have the facilities to deal with "the
>dream", it'll be worthwhile. I keep putting off the Citroen CX and the
>Triumph Spitfire for the same reasons ... and found two C900s to be more
>than I could cope with and (kicks self again!!!) let the flat nose go :(

I know what you mean, for me, a proper idoit killer SWB aircooled 911
from the 80's is on the wish list, along with a Rover P6V8 and a proper
Ur-quattro, probably end up at some point with a 924 or a 944 to quench
Porsche needs temporarily.

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Carl Robson
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Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Al - 06 Nov 2005 19:41 GMT
Anyone want a cheap winter project?
£2300 no offers for anyone on here, otherwise I would advertise it for a
lot more.

Not long bought, but more than I can do to put right.

Main body is very solid, but some rust arround the windscreen surround
that will need sorting.
Inside the sides of the bonnet are rusting but nothing coming through.
Some rust on the back bottom edge of the boot.
Needs a new soft top, leaks down the side of the rear quarters into the
vinyl pouch that + has other patches.
Drivers seat leather very worn on door edge side (lowest point patches
with Gaffer). Electric seats work perfectly.
Cruise doesn't work, but I know few that do.
Fuel gauge sender bust and half fell into tank.

Thats the bad sh.t I know of.
30+mpg commuting, 36+ on a good run.
Very good stuff.
Full complete aero kit, some scuffs but no cracks or missing bits.
212k on the clock, but reciepts from the last owner for shells and crank
regrind, headgasket and skim.
Recon turbo
Secondhand low mileage geabox as the original was jumping out of
reverse. new front engine mount.
Reciepts for discs and pads within the last 2 years.
Uses or loses no oil, doesn't overheat, makes normal full boost.
This is an FPT not an LPT
Roof mech and motor work perfectly.
Sony radio cassette with changer interface that will take an MP3
changer.
Philips pro speakers instead of the standard paper Philips.

Never ever buy a dream, you will be disappointed.
help me out here, missus wants blood, she though my last Toyota was a
lot more sensible. Looks like a 9k LPT might be on the cards, would
consider a swap for a very good nick 2.3 9k Anniversary or Aero (FPT or
LPT).
Signature

Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Sorry to hear it Carl.
As far as 9k's go I would recommend the 2.3FPT, esp. with the Auto.  Yeah I
know real drivers are only supposed to have manual, but I loved it.  Knock
it into D hit the loud pedal and wait for the missus to scream "you can't go
that fast!!!!!"  To which you answer  "Oh yes I can!"

Also nice on the M way when a beamer starts to tailgate, again just kick
down with the right foot and watch his jaw drop as he disappears!

I got rid of that one for the current C900 T16 Aero, no regrets.

My missus currently runs a 2.0 LPT Anni' and it's a great car, but the
handling on any 9000 is nothing like a C900 Aero IMHO.  Good value to be had
right now with 9k's.

Good luck, hope it works out for you.

Al

NeedforSwede2 - 06 Nov 2005 23:14 GMT
>My missus currently runs a 2.0 LPT Anni' and it's a great car, but the
>handling on any 9000 is nothing like a C900 Aero IMHO.  Good value to be had
>right now with 9k's.
>
>Good luck, hope it works out for you.

I had a CD LPT as a courtesy for a week when I had my last 900.
It felt more planted but soggier.
It didn't have the bumping but responsive ride of the T16.
I hoped the softer sprung Vert might help my back after the heavily
tweaked Celica GT4, but it hasn't really, and I hoped that I might get
away with a Roof, and some service/wear and tear work, but this looks to
be a little more.

I think things will work out, even if I just pick up a cheap golf 3
Diesel to get through the winter and decide where I want to be.
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Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

PAPAGENE4JACK - 06 Nov 2005 20:59 GMT
I wish I could understand a word you are saying?
NeedforSwede2 - 06 Nov 2005 23:14 GMT
In article <a64a85b21db33fb5e172ada532fa0355
@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, barberirealty@msn.com says...
>I wish I could understand a word you are saying?

I know, it is vaguely english.
After dreaming of owning one for so long, it isn't something I wanted to
be writing at all.
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Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

Charles C. - 07 Nov 2005 08:58 GMT
> In article <a64a85b21db33fb5e172ada532fa0355
> @localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, barberirealty@msn.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> After dreaming of owning one for so long, it isn't something I wanted to
> be writing at all.

Hi,

Your English makes sense for those who remember you from when you had
your previous SAAB ;-)  Unfortunately you asked in a SAAB group if you
should buy a SAAB when you wanted the present car, what answer did you
expect?

You now have a project for the next 20 years (baby!)  Look for a car
that does the necessaries with as little expenditure as possible.  When
you have spare money to play vroom-vrooms you will know.

Regards
Charles

PS.  Is the Celica too small for the three of you?

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NeedforSwede2 - 07 Nov 2005 10:29 GMT
> > In article <a64a85b21db33fb5e172ada532fa0355
> > @localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, barberirealty@msn.com says...
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> PS.  Is the Celica too small for the three of you?

Just the two of us.
The Celica got sold, it was too thirsty on petrol, and almost as bad on
oil.
I get a regular 30+ MPG in the Saab, but only sed to 25 regular in the
Celica, with UK fuel prices that makes a difference. Plus add the fact
that it used to drink oil (about 1/2 litre every 500 miles), and had a
clunk from the rear diff, it was legal and very quick, but need work.
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Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

 
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