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check valve or no check valve? '87 900T16

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derek huffadine - 15 Nov 2005 11:40 GMT
Just after thoughts to what people think of some advice i got from local
saab garage (not dealer - private specalist uk).
The check valve (oneway valve) that sits on the breather hose from the inlet
manifold and the cam cover, apparently is of no use and does not matter if
it is there or not.  They removed it and didnt replace it.
This was some time ago and i never noticed a difference, however i have
known for a while the dump valve needed replacing and when i did replace it
last week with a bosch standard dump valve I started having problems.
The check engine light flickers when i come off boost quickly.  Also
replaced all old crummy vacuum hoses with nice new silicon ones *bling*.
My idea was that the extra boost that the new dump valve was not leaking
might be finding its way into the top of the engine and causing the warning
light flicker.
This probably exposes me as a rank amateur with no true idea about my engine
but you've got to learn somehow!

so should i refit a check  valve and could this solve this problem. if not
any other more ideas?

Thanks Derek

PS the garage has just gone bust its a shame the mechanics were nice and
helpful.
MH - 15 Nov 2005 11:54 GMT
> The check valve (oneway valve) that sits on the breather hose from the inlet
> manifold and the cam cover, apparently is of no use and does not matter if
> it is there or not.  

It does matter, you do not want to pressurise the crankcase when the turbo comes on.

> ... the dump valve needed replacing and when i did replace it
> last week with a bosch standard dump valve ...

What "dump valve"? The waste gate?

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NeedforSwede2 - 15 Nov 2005 13:33 GMT
> > ... the dump valve needed replacing and when i did replace it
> > last week with a bosch standard dump valve ...
>
> What "dump valve"? The waste gate?

He means the black plastic Bosch diverter recirc valve that can
quack/squark/moo when the diaphram wears.
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Malt_Hound - 15 Nov 2005 16:52 GMT
>> The check valve (oneway valve) that sits on the breather hose from the
>> inlet
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>
> What "dump valve"? The waste gate?

I think he means the bypass valve  aka Hooter

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es - 16 Nov 2005 01:48 GMT
> so should i refit a check  valve and could this solve this problem. if not
> any other more ideas?

yes or just have no C valve or vacuum line at all just have a short
line coming off the nipple from the valve cover with a bolt or
something in the other end to block it off

then block of the intake manifold line too
Paul Halliday - 16 Nov 2005 08:59 GMT

>> so should i refit a check  valve and could this solve this problem. if not
>> any other more ideas?

You must prevent charge air from pressurising the crank case. Remove the vac
line, or put another on-way valve in immediately. Pressure will escape from
somewhere, otherwise, and that is often through the bottom of the dipstick
tube. Dramatic oil loss like that can lead to much worse problems very
quickly.

If you can't get one from a car supplier, one from an aquarium supplier will
do. If you don't believe me, connect a foot pump to it and pump a bar of
pressure at it. That's more "boost" than you run on the car (I assume), so
it's safe.

> yes or just have no C valve or vacuum line at all just have a short
> line coming off the nipple from the valve cover with a bolt or
> something in the other end to block it off

Like this?
<http://www.saabphotos.com/gallery/Orca_BOV2/engine_003>

I find I get closer to 30 MPG with the car setup like that. Odd?

> then block of the intake manifold line too

... Of use it for something else ... Like a BOV in my case :)

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
derek huffadine - 16 Nov 2005 19:26 GMT
Thanks for that, seemed strange to remove something that was standard.  Will
replace the valve but block it off in the mean time.
does anyone know where i can get a decent diagram or picture that shows the
routing of vacuum hoses around a '87 900 T16S B202 engine cause looking at a
few pictures ive got paranoid about mine.
works fine so probably shouldnt worry - but you do, dont you?!

cheers for your help
derek
Paul Halliday - 16 Nov 2005 21:43 GMT
> does anyone know where i can get a decent diagram or picture that shows the
> routing of vacuum hoses around a '87 900 T16S B202 engine cause looking at a
> few pictures ive got paranoid about mine.

LOL .. Sorry! :)

You've heard of hen's teeth, right? I'm not entirely sure there's a right or
wrong way and years on, so long as all the vac lines suck and/or blow at the
right time, anything is okay. Perhaps google for engine bay photos of C900s
or have a browse through some of the online galleries?

<http://www.saabphotos.com/gallery/> is a good start.

That, or perhaps you could host a picture (or two) of your engine bay so we
could draw arrows and circles all over it and make suggestions?

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
Dave Hinz - 16 Nov 2005 21:46 GMT
> That, or perhaps you could host a picture (or two) of your engine bay so we
> could draw arrows and circles all over it and make suggestions?

If he wants to email me pics, I'll put 'em on a webserver for him.
 
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