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Car Forum / Saab Cars / November 2005What to buy?
I'm pissed off at Saab that they won't fix the SID that has now broken in my car TWICE (I paid to have it fixed 15 months before it broke again) and it's about time to get another car. If I'm not goign to replace it with (1) any Saab model or (2) any GM model, what should I get? I was thinking: Volvo S80 or S60 with the HPT and AWD options Audi A6 BMW's and Benz's are too expensive, especially late model used cars. I'm not sure I want an Accura or Lexus either. What else should I consider to replace the 9-5 when spring rolls around? As much as I've loathed Lexus, the new IS is really a kick a.s car. > I'm pissed off at Saab that they won't fix the SID that has now broken in > my car TWICE (I paid to have it fixed 15 months before it broke again) and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What else should I consider to replace the 9-5 when spring rolls around? Correct, The Lexus is synonymous with "a.s" just as the Pontiac Asstek was. SG > As much as I've loathed Lexus, the new IS is really a kick a.s car. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > What else should I consider to replace the 9-5 when spring rolls around? LOL ! Multiple top-posting. What a great way to follow a thead - not. Graham > Correct, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > > > > What else should I consider to replace the 9-5 when spring rolls around? > I'm pissed off at Saab that they won't fix the SID ... > ... > If I'm not goign to replace it with (1) any Saab model or (2) any GM model, > what should I get? Obviously a SAAB without a SID; 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 99 or a (classic) 900. > I was thinking: I doubt it...  SignatureMH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i Problem is that I'll never trust them again to stand behind their brand. I truly liked the 9-5 but to knowingly sell me a defective design and then refuse to do anythign for me as a loyal owner of their cars is something that I wont' stand for. I really don't want to own ANY saab brand at this point, not even an older one given that they'll make money from me and I won't have it. (and I'll probably have to fix the damned SID to sell the car, another $500 gift to the local dealership) >> I'm pissed off at Saab that they won't fix the SID ... >> ... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I doubt it... > Problem is that I'll never trust them again to stand behind their brand. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > point, not even an older one given that they'll make money from me and I > won't have it. Saab = GM, virtually no relation now to the classic Saabs, what else would one expect from GM? >> Problem is that I'll never trust them again to stand behind their brand. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Saab = GM, virtually no relation now to the classic Saabs, what else > would one expect from GM? I suppose this begs the question... Who's design is the SID display? SAAB or GM. Yes, I understand that GM is the one who will not step up and replace every SID that comes in defective now, which they could. Or they could design a fix so that people that do pay to replace their defective SIDs get it fixed for good. I'm surprised that some enterprising individual hasn't come up with an aftermarket fix. There is obviously a market fot it out there... Signature-Fred W > Problem is that I'll never trust them again to stand behind their brand. > > I truly liked the 9-5 but to knowingly sell me a defective design and then > refuse to do anythign for me as a loyal owner of their cars is something > that I wont' stand for. I really don't want to own ANY saab brand at this > point, Saab brand ? Surely you mean GM. Graham > I'm pissed off at Saab that they won't fix the SID that has now broken in my > car TWICE (I paid to have it fixed 15 months before it broke again) and it's [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What else should I consider to replace the 9-5 when spring rolls around? Bill, No no, choose the 9-3 SportCombi. It's a clear choice. SG >> What else should I consider to replace the 9-5 when spring rolls around? >No no, choose the 9-3 SportCombi. >It's a clear choice. I think they're the 9-3's that Saab in Australia are marketting as an 'over-order by Sven' through their dealers. 8-) Not bad actually - A$39990 entry-level pricing is damn good for a new Saab. Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page --> http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 Sydney, NSW Australia Craig's Classic Saab Workshop -- For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts world-wide! http://www.classicsaab.net http://www.saabnetwork.net c900@lios.apana.org.au Come and explore our site, and check out our web-forums, mailing list, etc. >What else should I consider to replace the 9-5 when spring rolls around? Probably another Saab seeing this is a Saab group - otherwise whatever you feel like .... but spring rolls are *always* round. Cheers > Probably another Saab seeing this is a Saab group Yes... I smell troll when anyone in a SAAB group says he's fed up with SAABs and asks to buy a Volvo or an Audi and actualy mentions other unmentionables... SignatureMH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i nah.... I've owned three Saabs (and before that a few Volvo's starting with an 1800S way back when) was pretty happy with the 9000's and the 9-5 until Saab felt giving me the shaft. I actually like the car, but no more. >> Probably another Saab seeing this is a Saab group > > Yes... I smell troll when anyone in a SAAB group says he's fed up with > SAABs and asks to buy a Volvo or an Audi and actualy mentions other > unmentionables... I learned to drive in a P1800! In 1982 I bought a 245 B21FT - still drive it today. I currently drive a 1993 Commemorative 900 with a short shift kit - best car I ever owned and no SID to fail. The only problem with the car is its power and handling has spoiled me. The new Saabs pale in comparison. > nah.... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>SAABs and asks to buy a Volvo or an Audi and actualy mentions other >>unmentionables... > nah.... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > was pretty happy with the 9000's and the 9-5 until Saab felt giving me the > shaft. I actually like the car, but no more. But Volvo is Ford nowadays. Just look at the striking similarity between the Volvo V50 and the new Ford Focus Estate: http://www.ffoc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=630593&sid=46c3fd3fc23b8fd6a2942d75c 3168005 http://www.volvocars.us/Showroom/V50/ Perhaps that means that the Ford Focus isn't such a bad car after all? But it's still a Ford, a common garden car. >>nah.... >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Perhaps that means that the Ford Focus isn't such a bad car after all? But it's still > a Ford, a common garden car. Perhaps. But I had a chance to drive a Focus last year (my daughter received it as a loaner while her 9000 was in the body shop last year). I must say I was rather taken aback. It was not as crappy a car as I would have expected. It felt quite solid and was completely acceptable, though it was fairly new and so had not accumulated many miles. Signature-Fred W >... But I had a chance to drive a Focus last year Same here, used a new one (only 1300 km) from a rental company in Spain. Not a bad experience... but then... all my really classic SAABs have Ford engines... SignatureMH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i > >... But I had a chance to drive a Focus last year > > Same here, used a new one (only 1300 km) from a rental company in Spain. > Not a bad experience... but then... all my really classic SAABs have Ford > engines... ...and many Fords now have a Mazda engine. My Ford has a Yamaha engine ;-) Walt Kienzle 1991 9000T (still on the disabled list) 1990 Ford Taurus SHO > I'm pissed off at Saab that they won't fix the SID that has now broken in my > car TWICE (I paid to have it fixed 15 months before it broke again) and it's [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What else should I consider to replace the 9-5 when spring rolls around? since you seem so miffed about the SID display recurring failure (a minor annoyance) I would suggest that you stay away from any European cars entirely and focus on the Japanese marques. Acura, Lexus, Infinity, etc. Those cars have far fewer little problems. Signature-Fred W >> I'm pissed off at Saab that they won't fix the SID that has now broken in >> my car TWICE (I paid to have it fixed 15 months before it broke again) >> and it's about time to get another car. is that all?? who needs sid anyway... I'm on my sixth Saab, a 2000 9-5 that also has issues with the SID display. I can accept how a design problem like the SID pixel issue could occur on such a complex vehicle however, the fix is simple for Saab, and the fix should be retro fittable to earlier models. It's not the little annoyances (within reason) that drive customers away, but the manner in which the manufacturer deals with those issues. I don't want to pay over $400.00 CDN on a faulty design where missing pixels could re-occur in a couple of years. I don't expect indeffinate warranty repairs however, a reputable company should provide replacement parts on a cost recovery basis. My 9-5 is a good car, and relatively trouble free yet my wife's 2000 Acura has had no repairs to date ( only normal wear issues). A short rant... BL >> I'm pissed off at Saab that they won't fix the SID that has now broken in >> my car TWICE (I paid to have it fixed 15 months before it broke again) [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > entirely and focus on the Japanese marques. Acura, Lexus, Infinity, etc. > Those cars have far fewer little problems. > I'm on my sixth Saab, a 2000 9-5 that also has issues with the SID display. > I can accept how a design problem like the SID pixel issue could occur on [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > My 9-5 is a good car, and relatively trouble free yet my wife's 2000 Acura > has had no repairs to date ( only normal wear issues). I don't have a 9-5, but a 9000. It has a simple info display: average mpg, miles left in tank, charge Voltage. What use is a SID above that? The SID on the 9-5 is used for a bunch of stuff, most annoying when it goes out: It's the only visible indicator of what's going on in the audio system, what station it's on, CD track, etc The main system/car clock is in there as well Both of these features suffer considerably when the SID breaks down. But then again, that's not the point. The design is faulty. Saab knows it but has not redesigned it and sold me a replacement part that they knew had a high failure rate. Again, I sell electronic components to the auto industry. They ask me to start paying for recalls if my parts have a failure rate of over 20 parts per MILLION into a system that is looking at something like 100 ppm. Given that there are web sites, bbs postings and news group postings on this topic all over the place, I can assure you that their failure rate on this device is WAY higher than that. >> I'm on my sixth Saab, a 2000 9-5 that also has issues with the SID >> display. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I don't have a 9-5, but a 9000. It has a simple info display: average mpg, > miles left in tank, charge Voltage. What use is a SID above that? >>I'm on my sixth Saab, a 2000 9-5 that also has issues with the SID display. >>I can accept how a design problem like the SID pixel issue could occur on [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I don't have a 9-5, but a 9000. It has a simple info display: average mpg, > miles left in tank, charge Voltage. What use is a SID above that? Tells you what radio station you're listening to for one thing (since the radio doesn't have its own display). And the time (since there is no clock). It's not a bad design idea, integrating all the displays in the car. It is just a poorly executed one... Signature-Fred W >> I'm pissed off at Saab that they won't fix the SID that has now broken >> in my car TWICE (I paid to have it fixed 15 months before it broke [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > cars entirely and focus on the Japanese marques. Acura, Lexus, > Infinity, etc. Those cars have far fewer little problems. I replaced a GM 900 with a . . . . . Toyota :-( Sad to say the GM Saab repair issues and frequency of problems convinced me to not buy another GM Saab. Hey, I just fixed the SID myself...found good step-by-step walkthroughs on the net (links below). I would suggest trying that before you give up on your car...took me twenty minutes and about a dollar in parts. As for a car, try a quattro A4. I know the A6 is a wee bit bigger, but you can't be the A4's quattro system - still a great dollar-for-performace investment. Good idea involving nothing but a ballpoint pen and a torx screwdriver (I haven't tried this): http://www.saab9-5.com/howto/sidrepair.htm This is the site/walkthrough that I used, and it repaired ALL of my lost pixels: http://www.thesaabsite.com/93/Saab-Sidrepairs.htm yea, did that fix the first time, lasted several months then things started back again. It's a faulty design, I finally took mine apart last time and examined the flex under a microscope at work. Nothing changed int he design of the replacement part, they knowingly continue to sell a defective design. BTW, I sell components to the automotive market. I know what their quality standards are. I see the kinds of defects that they'll accept (measured in < 100 parts per million on something like this) Want to bet that the SID defect rate is at least an order of magnitutde higher than 100 ppm? It's a systemic problem and they know it. (and whoever is their supplier knows it as well) But they wont' stand behind their product, even one that has gone defective again after only 15 months in the car. I will try to fix this one again, but given that I paid good $$ to get a replacement, I would have expected a reputable company to stand behind their product. Nope, not Saab > Hey, I just fixed the SID myself...found good step-by-step walkthroughs > on the net (links below). I would suggest trying that before you give [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > lost pixels: > http://www.thesaabsite.com/93/Saab-Sidrepairs.htm |
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