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Car Forum / Saab Cars / November 2005

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[Saab_c900] Towbar Wiring

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sweller - 16 Nov 2005 21:24 GMT
1986 900GL 2 door saloon

Is there a connector on the loom for the towbar electrics (and repeater?)
or is it a case of splicing in the wiring using Satan's own Scotchlock
connectors?

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Dave Hinz - 16 Nov 2005 21:27 GMT
> 1986 900GL 2 door saloon
>
> Is there a connector on the loom for the towbar electrics (and repeater?)
> or is it a case of splicing in the wiring using Satan's own Scotchlock
> connectors?

I've always spliced, but not with the Scotchlock connectors; I don't
trust 'em.  Put them into a proper "you need a crimper for this" splice.

Dave Hinz
sweller - 16 Nov 2005 21:31 GMT
> > Is there a connector on the loom for the towbar electrics (and
> > repeater?) or is it a case of splicing in the wiring using Satan's
> > own Scotchlock connectors?
>
> I've always spliced, but not with the Scotchlock connectors; I don't
> trust 'em.  Put them into a proper "you need a crimper for this" splice.

We maybe talking about the same thing - those awful blue things - or do
you have something else in mind?  Do you have a link to something
suitable?

Did you bother with repeaters?  I think in the UK we're /supposed/ to
have a trailer indicator ("turn signal" for our US comrades).

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Dave Hinz - 16 Nov 2005 21:36 GMT
>> > Is there a connector on the loom for the towbar electrics (and
>> > repeater?) or is it a case of splicing in the wiring using Satan's
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> you have something else in mind?  Do you have a link to something
> suitable?

They look kind of like a hat, or the top-half of a beer bottle.  Maybe
like a wire-nut, but you crimp the top rather than screw it onto the
copper.  Radio Spares, maybe?  Been decades since I was over there so I
don't know your techie-electronic sources anymore.

> Did you bother with repeaters?  I think in the UK we're /supposed/ to
> have a trailer indicator ("turn signal" for our US comrades).

I just wire 'em right in.  Works fine with the c900's turn signal
module, which I believe is still mechanical.  The repeater would be
needed if you didn't have the current capacity.  With the c900, you do.
If your local laws differ from my advice, I take no responsibility blah
blah blah...

Here we go: (googled images.google.com for 'crimp connector wire')
http://www.harringtonlights.com/images/12701.jpg
Looks like that.

Dave Hinz
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 18 Nov 2005 05:08 GMT
>> Did you bother with repeaters?  I think in the UK we're /supposed/ to
>> have a trailer indicator ("turn signal" for our US comrades).

>I just wire 'em right in.  Works fine with the c900's turn signal
>module, which I believe is still mechanical.  The repeater would be
>needed if you didn't have the current capacity.  With the c900, you do.
>If your local laws differ from my advice, I take no responsibility blah
>blah blah...

The indicator relay has it's timer set by the current drawn by the lamps -
nothing wrong with putting more lamps in parallel with the existing ones but
it drops the resistance of the indicator circuit and that'll slow down the
flashing.

That's why if you replace the standard 21 watt 12 volt lamps with LED-based
lamps, you get indicators flashing really fast or not at all if the relay
cannot handle the rate demanded by the electronics setting the rate and you
need to wire in a 'load' resistor.

If extra lamps are added to an indicator circuit the current draw will be
higher and the flash rate will actually reduce (instead of speed up when the
current draw is less). I don't know if it's a linear relationship between
current draw and flash rate though - haven't got the circuit for the
electronics inside the relay to answer that question yet.

Scotchlock connectors work really well if two conditions are met:

1 - they're the right size to suit the wire gauge (so that the slots in the
    metal cutter plate cut the insulation but don't either cut into the
    copper or not at all if the wire gauge is too small for the connector),

2 - the wires either side of the connector are not put under opposing
    tensile forces which will cause connections to start breaking down and
    increasing resistance due to the copper of the wires starting to pull
    out of the cutter plate and/or insulation starting to creep between the
    copper strands and the slots in the plate.

They also need to be attached properly! Far too many times I've seen
scotchlock connectors (not just in auto applications) with the cutter plate
not pushed in properly, or the cover that clips the thing together not being
clipped down. They'll still work fine if the cover isn't clipped, but it's a
bit of insurance that the cutter plate is still where it should be and that
the wires aren't in tension which twists the connector body and can make the
cover unclip.

Regards,

Craig.

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