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Car Forum / Saab Cars / December 2005Red anti-freeze
It being that time of the year I checked the contents of the header tank in my more recently acquired 9000 and discovered that the coolant was coloured red. I've only previously ever come across the blue stuff. A quick call to to the mechanic I use elicited the info that coolant additive tends to come in 3 colours these days, red green and blue. I assume that it's prerable not to mix ? Can anyone suggest what additive I have in there and what to ask for if I need to increase the strength. Graham >It being that time of the year I checked the contents of the header >tank in my more recently acquired 9000 and discovered that the coolant >was coloured red. >I've only previously ever come across the blue stuff. >A quick call to to the mechanic I use elicited the info that coolant >additive tends to come in 3 colours these days, red green and blue. >I assume that it's prerable not to mix ? Can anyone suggest what >additive I have in there and what to ask for if I need to increase the >strength. >Graham If it was mine, I'd probably drain & flush the system; then refill it with what I wanted to stay in there. Cheers > It being that time of the year I checked the contents of the header > tank in my more recently acquired 9000 and discovered that the coolant [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > additive I have in there and what to ask for if I need to increase the > strength. Well, I suppose that if you mix them in equal quantities you will get white ;-)) I've heard to use geniune Mercedes Bens anti-free from their dealers. It contains (or doesn't contain, I forget) a chemical that keeps the antifreeze from eating away at your heater core, a very big weak spot in the 9000. I can attest to that as I have a sickly sweet smell and fogged windows whenever I turn on the heat for the first time. -Chris >>It being that time of the year I checked the contents of the header >>tank in my more recently acquired 9000 and discovered that the coolant [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Well, I suppose that if you mix them in equal quantities you will get white > ;-)) > I've heard to use geniune Mercedes Bens anti-free from their dealers. Yes, but it is not red anymore...  SignatureMH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i > > I've heard to use geniune Mercedes Bens anti-free from their dealers. > > Yes, but it is not red anymore... The difficulty is that anti-freeze is often described by what it doesn't contain. E.g. silicate free (red) and nitrite, amine and phosphate free (green). I use the read stuff for my 9000. Saab antifreeze is red colour. >>>I've heard to use geniune Mercedes Bens anti-free from their dealers. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > contain. E.g. silicate free (red) and nitrite, amine and phosphate free > (green). I use the read stuff for my 9000. Saab antifreeze is red colour. Mine is blue (or is it green?) and is what the dealer has been fitting in the car from new (assuming they have ever changed it). 9000 year 97. C. SignaturePlease remove _removeme_ to reply. >>>>I've heard to use geniune Mercedes Bens anti-free from their dealers. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> contain. E.g. silicate free (red) and nitrite, amine and phosphate free >> (green). I use the read stuff for my 9000. Saab antifreeze is red colour. >Mine is blue (or is it green?) and is what the dealer has been fitting >in the car from new (assuming they have ever changed it). 9000 year 97. When you say 'anti-freeze' are you meaning you add water and coolant then add an anti-freeze product, or do you mean what we tend to call 'coolant' here in Australia without anything else being adding to give anti-freeze properties? Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page --> http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 Sydney, NSW Australia Craig's Classic Saab Workshop -- For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts world-wide! http://www.classicsaab.net http://www.saabnetwork.net c900@lios.apana.org.au Come and explore our site, and check out our web-forums, mailing list, etc. >>>>>I've heard to use geniune Mercedes Bens anti-free from their dealers. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Craig. In the US, Antifreeze = Coolant. Signature-Fred W > >>>>>I've heard to use geniune Mercedes Bens anti-free from their dealers. > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > In the US, Antifreeze = Coolant. In the UK as well. Antifreeze = Coolant + Antifreeze + Anticorrosion. That is why it needs to be kept an eye on. > It being that time of the year I checked the contents of the header > tank in my more recently acquired 9000 and discovered that the coolant [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Graham Red is Valvoline G30. The blue is G48. SAAB has used both in various models over the years, the red being more recently. Althought they are very similar composition, your car should have the blue G48 in it. While you could obtain some of the red stuff, it might be a good excuse to do a full flush and fill with the right stuff for your car. Signature-Fred W > > It being that time of the year I checked the contents of the header > > tank in my more recently acquired 9000 and discovered that the coolant [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > While you could obtain some of the red stuff, it might be a good excuse > to do a full flush and fill with the right stuff for your car. Can you explain the differences ? Is it indeed the case that they shouldn't be mixed ? Graham >>Red is Valvoline G30. The blue is G48. SAAB has used both in various >>models over the years, the red being more recently. Althought they are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Can you explain the differences ? Well... you can download the datasheets and investigate it yourself right here: http://www.valvoline-technology.com/data/valv/prodinfo.nsf/fmZerex?ReadForm > Is it indeed the case that they shouldn't be mixed ? I'm not sure, to be quite honest. But there is certainly no harm in a good flush and refill. Signature-Fred W Coolant chat. http://www.angelfire.com/ia2/vmax/coolantnotes.htm > Coolant chat. > > http://www.angelfire.com/ia2/vmax/coolantnotes.htm Excellent site. All you could wish for to be a coolant professor. > > Coolant chat. > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ia2/vmax/coolantnotes.htm > > Excellent site. All you could wish for to be a coolant professor. And I was vindicated in my use of water from a de-humidifier tank to mix the coolant. Tap water contains a small amount of chlorine. >>>Coolant chat. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > And I was vindicated in my use of water from a de-humidifier tank to mix > the coolant. Tap water contains a small amount of chlorine. Not mine. Mine comes from a well in my backyard. Signature-Fred W > >>>Coolant chat. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Not mine. Mine comes from a well in my backyard. Most chlorine will evapporate overnight, if the water is allowed to stand, and will disappear very quickly from your heating system once the water gets hot for the first time. SignatureRichard Sutherland-Smith 19 Webb Road, Wanganui 5001, NZ I save rain water from a central air conditioner during the summer. Same thing. During the first half hour of rain, what falls is acid rain. After that, it's distilled water. >Coolant chat. >http://www.angelfire.com/ia2/vmax/coolantnotes.htm Excellent site - thanks for the link. I will definitely add this to the technical library page on my www.classicsaab.net website in the coming days! Regards, Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page --> http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 Sydney, NSW Australia Craig's Classic Saab Workshop -- For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts world-wide! http://www.classicsaab.net http://www.saabnetwork.net c900@lios.apana.org.au Come and explore our site, and check out our web-forums, mailing list, etc. The use of any water other than distilled in the cooling system is a serious mistake and will enventually damage the cooling system. Electrolytes in tap and well water will cause corrosion either slowly or rapidly. > The use of any water other than distilled in the cooling system is a > serious mistake and will enventually damage the cooling system. > Electrolytes in tap and well water will cause corrosion either slowly > or rapidly. Yes, slowly. Unless you have crappy city water, very slowly. So slowly that you can't tell the difference. Signature-Fred W I know a guy who used sea water in his cars radiator. Worked fine until one day the water pump fell off the engine. GeeeeeeeeeWhizzzzzzzzzzzzz Tap water served me just fine over the years. Of all of the cars I ever own, sheet metal corrosion is the only corrosion i see. You can't convince people that parts in contact with tap water diluted coolant corrode faster than sheet metal in contact with salt, moisture and air. Obligatory remarks: I do not own a SAAB. I have never owned a SAAB. My brother used to own an '86 9000, on which I was the lead technical advisor. Occasionally, it ran. About once every five or six months, I drop by to see what's happening at AAS. I hope I have been helpful. "Excellent site - thanks for the link." You mean I actually did something useful? How did that happen? Maybe this makes up for all those times I... Uh, perhaps not. Best wishes. "Excellent site - thanks for the link." You mean I actually did something useful? How did that happen? Maybe this makes up for all those times I... Nah, perhaps not. Best wishes. Obligatory facts: I do not own a SAAB. I have never owned a SAAB. My brother used to own an '86 9000, on which I was the lead technical advisor. Occasionally, it ran. Obligatory facts: I do not own a SAAB. I have never owned a SAAB. My brother used to own an '86 9000, on which I was the lead technical advisor. Occasionally, it ran. About once every five or six months, I drop by to see what's happening at AAS. |
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