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Replaced Voltage Regulator on Alternator...  Now what?

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LC - 03 Dec 2005 21:23 GMT
85' C900T

I replaced the Voltage regulator on my alternator last night.(nicely enough,
I didn't have to completely pull the alternator to get it out.)
Now I'm running into some problems. I jumpstarted the car after changing out
the VR, and let it sit for a few minutes hooked up. Surely enough, as soon
as I disconnect the jumpers, the car runs for a minute or two, and then
dies. Any ideas what might be doing this? I'm about ready to give up and
start driving my GMC Van instead.
I plugged my multi-meter up, and the voltage was at about 12.7-13.3, and
would drop .01 every second or so. I don't know what caused this.. maybe a
buggered up connection, or a loose ground wire.
Going on that theory, I put both recepticles of the multimeter to the ground
wire at the alternator, and set the ohms for 200. The result I came back
with was 0.3 and 0.4
From what I understand, it's supposed to be as close to 0 as possible. Could
someone please tell me if my testing method was correct.

Any ideas to go on from here?
MH - 03 Dec 2005 21:29 GMT
> I replaced the Voltage regulator on my alternator last night.

Is that a unit including the brushes?

> I put both recepticles of the multimeter to the ground
> wire at the alternator, and set the ohms for 200. The result I came back
> with was 0.3 and 0.4

Set MM at lowest Ohm range, short both leads (red+black) - what do you read?
Probably 0.something - whatever it shows, that's your zero value.

Now, with all the car's wiring in place, put the MM black lead on the battery's
-(minus), red lead on the alternator ground connection - what do you read?
Should be same or only slightly higher than previous 'zero' reading.

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'91 900i

LC - 03 Dec 2005 22:09 GMT
Not sure my multimeter leads will reach that far, but I guess I can try.

as far as the voltage regulator goes, yes, I'll assume the 2 pieces of
graphite that go inside the the alternator are brushes.

As far as the
>> I replaced the Voltage regulator on my alternator last night.
>
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> you read? Should be same or only slightly higher than previous 'zero'
> reading.
Misterbeets - 04 Dec 2005 03:48 GMT
Try another battery or get yours tested.
LC - 04 Dec 2005 04:38 GMT
The battery's only a couple weeks old, but I plan on doing that this
weekend.

> Try another battery or get yours tested.
darthpup - 04 Dec 2005 13:54 GMT
To check for battery short use the MM to measure any current flow from
battery to ground when engine not running.  To do this remove the
ground wire from the battery and place the leads of MM between battery
and chassis ground point with the MM in the milliampere position.
There should be no flow of current.
Also,a fully charged battery will measure 13.8 volts at STP.
LC - 05 Dec 2005 05:19 GMT
Okay. I took the battery to the local autozone. It's a 650amp, 525CCA
Duralast battery.

The first test said to charge and retest, which was done. The battery was at
12.5 amps, and tested again, which came back as a good battery.

I took it home and plugged it back in, and tested against frame points that
were grounded, and against the block. Same information. I also tested the
ohms again against the alternator's ground post.(Both leads of the
multimeter against the ground post) I again recieved a 0.3 to 0.4 reading.

Tested again before I started the car, 12.47V I started the car with
relative ease. The Tested the battery again at 3-4 minute intervals, and the
stayed pretty steady between 12.15 - 12.17v

I turned on the headlights, it dropped to 12.05, then bounced back up to
12.15 again. The blower started, and it dropped down to 11.92, and then back
up to 12.05 once it was done. I figured I'm getting some kind of charge,
just not one that's good enough to keep the thing going.

Any other ideas?

> To check for battery short use the MM to measure any current flow from
> battery to ground when engine not running.  To do this remove the
> ground wire from the battery and place the leads of MM between battery
> and chassis ground point with the MM in the milliampere position.
> There should be no flow of current.
> Also,a fully charged battery will measure 13.8 volts at STP.
MH - 05 Dec 2005 10:08 GMT
> I also tested the ohms again against the alternator's ground post.(Both leads
of the
> multimeter against the ground post) I again recieved a 0.3 to 0.4 reading.

If you put both leads to the same post on the alternator, you are measuring the
resistance of the MM's leads...

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'72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96
'91 900i

darthpup - 05 Dec 2005 13:35 GMT
Sounds like a voltage regulator problem.  Your battery should come up
to at least 13.5 volts if relativley new and will charge to 13.8 volts
if new.  If the voltage drops below 12.0 volts the battery is not being
properly charged.  Or you could have one or more bad diodes in the
alternator. (there are six to convert three phase AC to DC)

I have discovered that a failing battery can sometimes be rejuvenated
by charging for several days at one ampere. This basically drives the
lead sulphate off the plates which tends to build up and degrade the
battery performance. (charge voltage must be above 14 volts when doing
this) The "new" battery you are using may have been on the shelf for
several years before you bought it.
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 06 Dec 2005 08:13 GMT
>85' C900T

>I replaced the Voltage regulator on my alternator last night.(nicely enough,
>I didn't have to completely pull the alternator to get it out.)
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>dies. Any ideas what might be doing this? I'm about ready to give up and
>start driving my GMC Van instead.

First thing to check is the charging lamp in the dash - if that lamp has
blown (or is the wrong wattage) the alternator won't be able to charge the
battery properly or at all. I'm not exactly sure where in the circuit the
lamp sits but there are notes in various service manuals to make sure it's
the right wattage and check that it's not blown when looking at problems
relating to the the battery not charging and therefore not being able to
provide 'secondary regulation' for the output of the alternator.

>I plugged my multi-meter up, and the voltage was at about 12.7-13.3, and
>would drop .01 every second or so. I don't know what caused this.. maybe a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>From what I understand, it's supposed to be as close to 0 as possible. Could
>someone please tell me if my testing method was correct.

>Any ideas to go on from here?

You should get between 13.7 and 14.5 volts at the battery terminals with the
engine running and the voltage regulator on the alternator producing output.
If you get 13.3 volts there's definitely something wrong, and when you
switch off the engine with a voltmeter connected across the battery
terminals you should see little or no decay in the voltage below about 12.5
volts after the key is out (which turns off just about everything
electrical).

If you disable the fuel pump and crank the engine what happens? If you see
the voltmeter reading die back to 10 volts or less and the engine either
won't crank or tries but gives up, that's a sure sign that the battery
hasn't been charged enough. You might want to first off try a different
battery just to confirm that's the existing battery isn't the problem, and
if it's not, work through the charging circuit checking each component and
wiring between components as much as you can.

I had a good brand battery in my 1983 900S for just over a year after being
bought brand new and it developed a collapsed cell which meant that no
matter how much charge it had pushed in, it 'leaked' charge internally and
the voltage would collapse quickly. I also replaced the voltage regulator
(bought a new one from one of the Ebay sellers marketting them) and that now
gives a nice 14.5 volts on the terminals of the replacement battery when the
engine is going.

Regards,

Craig.
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