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Car Forum / Saab Cars / December 2005Happy Holidays from Saab
This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new Saab. http://www2.saabusa.com/happyholidays/default.asp wished they deliver it like that :) > This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. > Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new > Saab. > http://www2.saabusa.com/happyholidays/default.asp > This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. > Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new > Saab. > http://www2.saabusa.com/happyholidays/default.asp What's with this 'Holidays' PCness in place of Christmas ? Graham >>This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. >>Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Graham Why, do you think all SAABers are Christians?  Signature-Fred W >> What's with this 'Holidays' PCness in place of Christmas ? > Why, do you think all SAABers are Christians? Who cares? Merry Christmas, Happy Whatever, Joyous this other thing. Pick one or more, or not. Have a nice day. If you want to be offended by me saying "Merry Christmas" to you, I of course have no objections. >>>What's with this 'Holidays' PCness in place of Christmas ? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Pick one or more, or not. Have a nice day. If you want to be offended > by me saying "Merry Christmas" to you, I of course have no objections. I am not offended in the least. Nor do I think everyone needs to say one thing or the other, unlike Mr. Bear. Signature-Fred W >> Who cares? Merry Christmas, Happy Whatever, Joyous this other thing. >> Pick one or more, or not. Have a nice day. If you want to be offended >> by me saying "Merry Christmas" to you, I of course have no objections. > I am not offended in the least. Nor do I think everyone needs to say > one thing or the other, unlike Mr. Bear. For the record, that was a general, vague "you", not a "You, Fred" you. But yeah. I'll celebrate what I want, you celebrate what you want, and don't burn down my christmas tree with your candles and we'll get along. >>>Who cares? Merry Christmas, Happy Whatever, Joyous this other thing. >>>Pick one or more, or not. Have a nice day. If you want to be offended [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > But yeah. I'll celebrate what I want, you celebrate what you want, and > don't burn down my christmas tree with your candles and we'll get along. Candles? Candles? They should be outlawed I tell you!! Do you know how many young children die each year from house fires started from burning candles (for cosmetic reasons only)? Neither do I. I was just joshing... Merry Christmas! Happy Holidays! Signature-Fred W I must admit I don't get the whole Kwanzaa thing though... >> For the record, that was a general, vague "you", not a "You, Fred" you. >> But yeah. I'll celebrate what I want, you celebrate what you want, and >> don't burn down my christmas tree with your candles and we'll get along. > Candles? Candles? They should be outlawed I tell you!! Do you know > how many young children die each year from house fires started from > burning candles (for cosmetic reasons only)? Yeah, well, can we get into the whole Darwin thing at this point, or would that be in astonishingly bad taste coming from a firefigher who has been to a fatal auto-Darwination fire? > Neither do I. I was just joshing... Merry Christmas! Happy Holidays! Or not. Cue the South Park Christmas Song. > >>>What's with this 'Holidays' PCness in place of Christmas ? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I am not offended in the least. Nor do I think everyone needs to say > one thing or the other, unlike Mr. Bear. Who said it offended me ? Just puzzled with what's 'supposedly' wrong with the name that's been used for ages. Although it might be more accurate to rename it the "Feast of Mammon" given what it's all about these days. Graham > >>This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. > >>Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Why, do you think all SAABers are Christians? No, including this one ( a confirmed heathen - lol ). What I don't get is this apparent US aversion to calling something by its traditional name. Graham > What I don't get is this apparent US aversion to calling something by its > traditional name. You're doing that anti-American thing again. Just so you know. Plenty to criticize about your country, after all. This isn't the place. > > What I don't get is this apparent US aversion to calling something by its > > traditional name. > > You're doing that anti-American thing again. Just so you know. > Plenty to criticize about your country, after all. This isn't the > place. Why is it 'anti-American' ? Just because no other countries seem to do it ? Perhaps you can explain why the phenomenon is unique to the USA ? Graham >> > What I don't get is this apparent US aversion to calling something by its >> > traditional name. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Why is it 'anti-American' ? Just because no other countries seem to do it ? Perhaps you can > explain why the phenomenon is unique to the USA ? See what I mean? > >> > What I don't get is this apparent US aversion to calling something by its > >> > traditional name. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > See what I mean? Hate to say it Dave, I'm critical of the US government, not the people, while other are a little too blanket Anti-US. But in this case Pooh is right. It does seem to be that only the country and people of the US seem to be the ones removing the traditional religious name from a festival incase it offends others of different or no faiths. I've just gotten back from Morocco, a Muslim country, where Christ was just a prophet, and not even a major one at that, but they were putting up the Merry Christmas banners, and decorations and trees. I don't know if it is sterile corporatism, or PC stupidity, but it does seem to have rubbed off on American people, so that they seem to be more offended calling a Christian festival by it's christian title than if it was wasn't. Fair enough call it by the old pagan name/native/whatever name, almost all old religions had a festival at this time of year. Just don't for the love of god (which ever you worship) just lump it all together for "happy holiday". That is so boring, crap, cheesy, lifeless, souless, stomach churning and downright insulting. just remember, followers of the old ways will openly respect the faiths of others. It is only those modern faiths that want supremecy at all costs. SignatureCarl Robson Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com >> See what I mean? >> > Hate to say it Dave, I'm critical of the US government, not the people, > while other are a little too blanket Anti-US. OK, fair enough, but: > But in this case Pooh is right. It does seem to be that only the country > and people of the US seem to be the ones removing the traditional > religious name from a festival incase it offends others of different or > no faiths. Emphasis on "seem to be", Carl. You see it from what your press, or whomever, shows you. I see it from living here. It's always, let's say "amusing", to have people in a different country tell you how things are where you are, especially when they're getting a distorted view of it. > I've just gotten back from Morocco, a Muslim country, where Christ was > just a prophet, and not even a major one at that, but they were putting > up the Merry Christmas banners, and decorations and trees. Same here. > I don't know if it is sterile corporatism, or PC stupidity, but it does > seem to have rubbed off on American people, so that they seem to be more [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > together for "happy holiday". That is so boring, crap, cheesy, lifeless, > souless, stomach churning and downright insulting. And not all that prevalent, at least not among real people. Keep in mind that most of us don't agree with how USA'n TV presents things either. There's a reason we keep those people on the extreme edges of the land mass... If someone wants to be offended by me wishing them a Merry Christmas, I don't have a problem with that. > Emphasis on "seem to be", Carl. You see it from what your press, or > whomever, shows you. I see it from living here. It's always, let's say > "amusing", to have people in a different country tell you how things are > where you are, especially when they're getting a distorted view of it. You shouldn't take what me and Pooh say personally. Of course we are talking about the media image that america gives out, that is generally all we get to see. It's a similar view that a lot of Americans get of Europe (odd bunch that can't get on, and a mix of cabbage munchers, snail chewing and stinking of garlic, and a bunch of cowards, and some insane bastards that live on an north atlantic island and drink tea all day, but have no rights), or Iraqis (dirty terrorist Arab towel heads). All stereotypes, all bad. would love to get to meet more americans, but generally, all I get to meet in person are either tourists who do their damnedest to be loud and obnoxious, or those who live here for work, and try extra hard to show some british reserve and just don't get it. SignatureCarl Robson Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com >>>See what I mean? >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > the land mass... If someone wants to be offended by me > wishing them a Merry Christmas, I don't have a problem with that. The other thing to consider is, while Christmas is a big deal for devout Christians ( I met one once...) and people that have too much money (I love the car commercials where the wife buys her hubby a new car. Who's money did she just buy that thing with?), personally I think it is all a bunch of ridiculous hype escalated by the corporations in an effort to sell more crap as gifts. OTOH, New Year's is a wonderful holiday with no religious baggage or ulterior meaning other than the total and reckless enjoyment of one's self. And for what? Because we are starting a new calendar? Beautiful!! I think we should celebrate the solstices as vociferously... When someone wishes you a "happy holidays" it's Crimby and New Years and most importantly the time you're getting off from work to spend with the people you wish, that makes you so "happy"... ;-) Now have a freekin' Happy Holidays, OK? Signature-Fred W > But in this case Pooh is right. It does seem to be that only the country > and people of the US seem to be the ones removing the traditional > religious name from a festival incase it offends others of different or > no faiths. Don't be so sure. I have an acquaintance from Sweden who was just complaining about "Happy Holidays" signs cropping up this year in place of the "Merry Christmas" ones that he's used to. > > But in this case Pooh is right. It does seem to be that only the country > > and people of the US seem to be the ones removing the traditional [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > complaining about "Happy Holidays" signs cropping up this year in place of > the "Merry Christmas" ones that he's used to. Hmmm, it is getting worse then. I think it is time to start a non-denominational, inter-faith, "bring back Christmas" campaign. If people of all or no faiths, showed they were happy that normal everyday moderate christian believers should have their festival by the name they chose for it, it might go a little bit toward world peace, and the Christian element would get to see they are in less danger from normal "non-believing heathens" than they are for the extremists in their own midsts. SignatureCarl Robson Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com > I think it is time to start a non-denominational, inter-faith, "bring > back Christmas" campaign. If we were honest we'd call it the " Feast of Mammon ". Graham > > I think it is time to start a non-denominational, inter-faith, "bring > > back Christmas" campaign. > > If we were honest we'd call it the " Feast of Mammon ". > > Graham We can. I'm quite happy with that. SignatureCarl Robson Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com You write well on a topic that clearly strikes a nerve in your sensibilities. From a strictly American perspective, I can say it's all about compromise in this society. For better or worse, and with varying degrees of success, we Americans seem inclined to send our children off to be cannon fodder in places most of us can't find on a map. We do it regularly and for the most obscure reasons. This habit has made a lot of us profoundly jealous of the concept of Liberty we like to kill and die for. Chief among these Liberties are a "short list" we call the Bill of Rights", it's the first ten items that address specific, concrete policies in our constitution. We all know that rampant PC is annoying but our Bill of Rights teaches us to be EXTREMELY suspicious of linking religion with our government. So we don't. We know that having lots of guns around is a factor in lots of senseless tragedies. Our Bill of Rights says don't let the government prohibit you from owning guns. So we don't. We are a capitalist society. Competition rules...more or less. When a topic like religion is a hot potato with our government, business is loath to risk involvement as well. I'm Christian. I say "Merry Christmas" to anyone I think may be similarly inclined. This excludes my Jewish, Muslim and Atheist friends. PC???? Maybe just thinking beyond my Anglo nose. Business can't be so choosy. Just not practical. Competition necessitates Seasons Greetings. It ain't pretty but it beats the alternatives. Woof. >> >> > What I don't get is this apparent US aversion to calling something >> >> > by its [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > of others. It is only those modern faiths that want supremecy at all > costs. > >> > What I don't get is this apparent US aversion to calling something by its > >> > traditional name. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > See what I mean? No, I don't. Whatever it is, may I recommend you 'get over it' ? I suppose maybe any attention given by non-Americans to behaviour that appears to be unique to the USA is seen as what ? *not-allowable* ? One simply *must not say it* ? Let me tell you. Moslems are similarly offended even by anything even seen as a 'possible attempt' to criticise their religion - never mind a full-blown critique. If you are so sensitive about your national culture maybe you'd do well to examine the reasons before you turn into some kind of Red-Neck Latter Day Jihadist ! Graham >> See what I mean? > > No, I don't. > Whatever it is, may I recommend you 'get over it' ? You continue to miss my point. > >> See what I mean? > > > > No, I don't. > > Whatever it is, may I recommend you 'get over it' ? > > You continue to miss my point. I simply fail to see one. Please do explain. Graham >>>What I don't get is this apparent US aversion to calling something by its >>>traditional name. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Graham It's anti-american because YOU said "What I don't get is this apparent *US* aversion ..." Just to be clear, people in the US are generally regarded as "Americans". Signature-Fred W > >>>What I don't get is this apparent US aversion to calling something by its > >>>traditional name. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Just to be clear, people in the US are generally regarded as "Americans". Are you suggesting that asking about a practice that seemingly happens in just ( or mainly ) one country is to be interpreted as being *anti* that country ? Graham >>>>>What I don't get is this apparent US aversion to calling something by its >>>>>traditional name. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Graham In this particular instance, yes, but primarily as taken in conjunction with the rest of your anti-American ramblings... Signature-Fred W >>>>This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. >>>>Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >>Why, do you think all SAABers are Christians? I'm certainly not Christian, however I can't understand why wishing someone a merry Christmas, or any other religious holiday would be taken as offensive. Regardless of one's personal beliefs the greeting is a gesture of kindness and well being towards another person, anyone who's offended by that needs to pull the stick out of their posterior. Personally I'm sick of all the bickering, changing the name of something doesn't change what it is. > >>>>This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. > >>>>Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Personally I'm sick of all the bickering, changing the name of something > doesn't change what it is. Amen to that. If I had one - it would be a *Christmas Tree* ! Graham >>>>>>This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. >>>>>>Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Graham and if you didn't have one, what would it be called then? Eh? Signature-Fred W > >>>>This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. > >>>>Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Personally I'm sick of all the bickering, changing the name of something > doesn't change what it is. Yes, I totally agree. Happy Holidays - bwadr! I am certainly no a church goer or anything like that, but I thoroughly resent such changing of traditional names just because of fear that it might upset some group or other. Then why haven't they complained before during 2000 years? What right do they have anyway? And I thought religion was about tolerance. >>>>This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. >>>>Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Graham It's not an aversion, per se. More like trying to keep the peace with all the Jewish, Islamic, Ebonic, what-ever-ic people... Seperation of church and state (of mind I suppose). Merry Christmas, Graham! Signature-Fred W > >>>>This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. > >>>>Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > all the Jewish, Islamic, Ebonic, what-ever-ic people... Seperation of > church and state (of mind I suppose). Ah ! right, thanks for the elaboration. I wondered if it might have some Jewish content given the number of times I've seen Hanukkah referred to recently. Although the Jews don't seem to have any trouble using their preferred name for the holiday period. I don't understand why it seems to be such a big issue this year apparently though. Is the Jewish lobby getting bolder ? > Merry Christmas, Graham! > > -- > -Fred W Cheers. Wishing you a festive Feast of Mammon ! ;-) Graham > >>>>This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. > >>>>Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > all the Jewish, Islamic, Ebonic, what-ever-ic people... Seperation of > church and state (of mind I suppose). But why suddenly now? Why has it become a peace keeping issue? Should we give way to religious intolerance? In particular when Christmas is just a name in the calendar for most people. What now about the name of the days in the week? They come from Norse goods Odin, Thor, Freya? > This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. > Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new > Saab. > http://www2.saabusa.com/happyholidays/default.asp Cute. That house looks just like my last one, white, dark gray shutters, right down to the red door. And up here in Northern New England the precip tends to look like that a lot too. ;-) Happy Holidays fellow SAAB'ers! Signature-Fred W > This "Message from Santa" was in the SaabUSA email newsletter I got today. > Relates to the thread about folks who have too much snow to get their new > Saab. > http://www2.saabusa.com/happyholidays/default.asp It is Christmas dammit. Christ Mass. I'm not even a Christian, but I respect other peoples faiths and beliefs enough to not want to homogenise or dilute them into one big happy shopping fest. I was christened/baptised, but I'm not hypocritical enough to call myself a christian because I have never attended a normal services at church for song and prayer through choice. My beliefs are more those of the pagan old ways. Oh and my birthday is 25th Dec, so if you want, celebrate that. At least I'm here to appreciate it. SignatureCarl Robson Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com |
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