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Car Forum / Saab Cars / January 2006More Gemmification
My Saab dealer apologized today that they no longer had Saab branded oil filters. They are now GM branded and come in neutral white boxes. Only the price is the same as before. Well, they also looked the same apart from the removal of the Saab logo and they are black instead of blue. I also saw that the parts shop had 'GM' plastic cradles with parts such as shock absorbers. > My Saab dealer apologized today that they no longer had Saab branded oil > filters. They are now GM branded and come in neutral white boxes. Only the > price is the same as before. Well, they also looked the same apart from the > removal of the Saab logo and they are black instead of blue. I also saw that > the parts shop had 'GM' plastic cradles with parts such as shock absorbers. That really stinks. Do you think this is the same in Sweden, I would actually doubt it. I bet there are the same classic oil filters in their dealerships. Let me check up on this with some friends of mine that run Saab dealerships in Sweden. SG >> My Saab dealer apologized today that they no longer had Saab branded oil >> filters. They are now GM branded and come in neutral white boxes. Only [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > SG Greetings from Sweden! Yes it´s the same in Sweden. I just bought some filters at the local Saabdealer and it was white boxes and black filters. The dealer told me that they come from a GM store for Europe in Germany. Merry X-mas and a happy new year! Don´t forget the 25th International Saab Club Meeting in Sweden next year! http://www.intsaab2006.com/ /B > >> My Saab dealer apologized today that they no longer had Saab branded > oil [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > /B That's depressing. SG > That's depressing. And in Saab's 'Torque' magazine autumn/winter 2005, there is a full page which explains the importance of using Saab Genuine parts: "For further information on Saab Genuine Parts, contact you Saab main dealer, or call 0845 300 9395". It goes on: "A Saab is not a Saab just because it has a griffin badge on its bonnet. It's the combination of innovative design and our aircraft heritage that makes Saab unique. It's not just aerodynamics and the cockpit-like cabin, but the things you can't see too". Maybe now GM parts have been included in Genuine Saab parts... > It goes on: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Maybe now GM parts have been included in Genuine Saab parts... None the less, it's a better filter than the old "Blue" one. It was developed to try and prevent the oil sludge prob's in the 9-5. The filtering is better - so no need to cry (babies). ;o)  Signature----------------------------------- Dyrlægebiler - Det intelligente valg > > It goes on: > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > developed to try and prevent the oil sludge prob's in the 9-5. The filtering > is better - so no need to cry (babies). ;o) How do you know so much? >> None the less, it's a better filter than the old "Blue" one. It was >> developed to try and prevent the oil sludge prob's in the 9-5. The >> filtering >> is better - so no need to cry (babies). ;o) > > How do you know so much? I follow the Swedish Saab Turbo Club forum. I have a VERY good contact at the factory. ;o) M.v.h. og Glædelig Jul. :o) > >> None the less, it's a better filter than the old "Blue" one. It was > >> developed to try and prevent the oil sludge prob's in the 9-5. The [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > M.v.h. og Glædelig Jul. :o) Henrik, But you have still chosen not to provide us any of your official Saab videos at all. Why are you holding out on us with your information? Seriously? SG On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:48:44 +0100 Henrik, But you have still chosen not to provide us any of your official Saab videos at all. Why are you holding out on us with your information? Hasn't had the time to transfer them to the PC - and dunno when I get around to it. Signature----------------------------------- Dyrlægebiler - Det intelligente valg > > That's depressing. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Maybe now GM parts have been included in Genuine Saab parts... That is quite ironic. Saab dealer and Saab Cars USA emphasize that you should use "Saab Genuine Parts" yet this stuff is all marked with GM all over it. What are they doing to their customer base by putting them in the middle. Here is probably a typical scenario that doesn't just start and end with filters Customer A) I want a Saab Genuine Oil Filter for my 900 Service Rep at Dealer) Here is our GM filter. Customer A) I cannot accept this, it is not a "Saab Genuine Part" especially since it doesn't even say Saab anywhere period. Service Rep at Dealer) I don't know what to tell you. Customer A) Walks out in discust at that and now has to spend more time looking for something that is apparently almost out of inventory across the world (Saab oil filters). SG >>>My Saab dealer apologized today that they no longer had Saab branded > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > that > they come from a GM store for Europe in Germany. Can you buy them cheaper at a GM dealer? Well maybe not in Sweden, but I would expect anything GM to be much cheaper over here. >>>My Saab dealer apologized today that they no longer had Saab branded > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > /B Really? Oh man, that does stink. Time to go looking for a source or Purolator filters for when the backstock of SAAB filters runs out. Signature-Fred W >>My Saab dealer apologized today that they no longer had Saab branded oil >>filters. They are now GM branded and come in neutral white boxes. Only the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > SG The Classic Saabs and 240 series Volvos use the same Mann filter. I bought them by the case since I have a 245 and Classic 900. > My Saab dealer apologized today that they no longer had Saab branded oil > filters. They are now GM branded and come in neutral white boxes. Only the > price is the same as before. Well, they also looked the same apart from the > removal of the Saab logo and they are black instead of blue. I also saw that > the parts shop had 'GM' plastic cradles with parts such as shock absorbers. I would be willing to bet that this is only at your dealer. I have no problem finding new SAAB filters. Signature-Fred W > I would be willing to bet that this is only at your dealer. I have no > problem finding new SAAB filters. Just wait till their stock run out. ;o) Signature----------------------------------- Dyrlægebiler - Det intelligente valg >>I would be willing to bet that this is only at your dealer. I have no >>problem finding new SAAB filters. > > Just wait till their stock run out. ;o) Yes, so I hear... Well, you can still buy them in case lots from eEuroparts.com. Might be worth the investment considering I have 2 to care for... Signature-Fred W Can someone explain to me what is so special about "Genuine Saab" oil filters? Is this of interest primarily to numbers-matching resto types or what? > Can someone explain to me what is so special about "Genuine Saab" oil > filters? Is this of interest primarily to numbers-matching resto types > or what? Yeah I agree with you Ludwig... a lot of "hot air" so to speak. Mind you... the Saab oil filters were my favorite of any filtres, they came in such a nice looking box and were attractive. Time will tell if these "GM" filtres are as good. One thing you guys have to realize here... Saab IS GM and GM IS Saab. I have no problem using GM parts on my GM car, hell as the old stickers used to say, "Keep your GM car all GM". So, an extremely brief moment of silence for our old blue-can friend. And if these GM filters are a superior filter to the Saab original, and I am sure they are, since there is little other reason to go through the expense of redesigning the can, then may these filters be successful. > > Can someone explain to me what is so special about "Genuine Saab" oil > > filters? Is this of interest primarily to numbers-matching resto types [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the expense of redesigning the can, then may these filters be > successful. Were the new GM "white" oil filters made in consideration to all of the past/present requirements? (Ie. Did the beancounters/engineers at GM consider the Saab model 99,900,NG900,9-3 and 9-3SS for these new white GM filters?) SG > > > Can someone explain to me what is so special about "Genuine Saab" oil > > > filters? Is this of interest primarily to numbers-matching resto types [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > SG I'd say the filters were designed to be exceeding the requirements of an engine like that of the 9-3SS, which is overkill for a 99 or 900... Then again I'm not an oil filter engineer for GM ;> How many metrics are there for oil filters? Flow rate, maximum pressure, screen size (i.e., how large of a particle will it let through,) filter size/threading... it ain't rocket science. (I've just discovered that K&N filters have an integrated nut, which is nice for everyone without enough clearance for a traditional filter wrench or forty bucks to drop on a chain Vise-Grip. Why don't all oil filters have a nut?) > How many metrics are there for oil filters? Flow rate, maximum > pressure, screen size (i.e., how large of a particle will it let [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > wrench or forty bucks to drop on a chain Vise-Grip. Why don't all oil > filters have a nut?) The 9000 oil filter is accessible from under the car. A nut wouldn't make much difference, just add cost. I use the steel loop to grip the filter. Then I smear some oil on the rubber ring before fitting. Job due over the next few days, if I can get away from the Christmas table. Used oil always ends up in my armpit though. > > How many metrics are there for oil filters? Flow rate, maximum > > pressure, screen size (i.e., how large of a particle will it let [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the next few days, if I can get away from the Christmas table. Used oil > always ends up in my armpit though. That's just gross or shall I say "TMI" (Too Much Information) for the rest of us. SG >> The 9000 oil filter is accessible from under the car. A nut wouldn't make >> much difference, just add cost. I use the steel loop to grip the filter. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > SG I thought it was somewhat humorous. It brought visions of Castrol products in the antiperspirant aisle. >How many metrics are there for oil filters? Flow rate, maximum >pressure, screen size (i.e., how large of a particle will it let >through,) filter size/threading... it ain't rocket science. >(I've just discovered that K&N filters have an integrated nut, which is >nice for everyone without enough clearance for a traditional filter >wrench or forty bucks to drop on a chain Vise-Grip. Why don't all oil >filters have a nut?) Why do they need a nut? An oil filter is only meant to be hand-tight but of course over time with all the heating/cooling cycles it might get tighter. With the Saab filters, you tighten it up so the gasket is pressed against the mounting, then turn in another 1/4 turn. Maybe it's different for other engine types, but that's how I do the oil filters with my 8V C900 engines. Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide! Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc. > Why do they need a nut? An oil filter is only meant to be hand-tight but of > course over time with all the heating/cooling cycles it might get tighter. > With the Saab filters, you tighten it up so the gasket is pressed against > the mounting, then turn in another 1/4 turn. Maybe it's different for other > engine types, but that's how I do the oil filters with my 8V C900 engines. In an ideal world, a nut would not be an absolute necessity, however given the number of times I've spent 30 minutes or more wrestling with a stuck oil filter and had to resort to C clamps, screwdrivers, hammer, etc to get the damn thing unscrewed in the real world I'm all for a nut being there. > ... wrestling with a stuck oil filter In theory, if it's put on 'hand tight' you can take it off again with bare hands... if your hands are free of oil and grease... If a filter is stuck, I usually hammer a screwdriver through it and use that as a lever. Never failed. SignatureMH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i >> ... wrestling with a stuck oil filter > > In theory, if it's put on 'hand tight' you can take it off again with > bare hands... if your hands are free of oil and grease... > If a filter is stuck, I usually hammer a screwdriver through it and use > that as a lever. Never failed. Yes, "in theory" that would be the case, which is why I stated that in the real world this is often not the case. Some people tighten the filter way too tight, some don't oil the seal, and sometimes it just gets stuck after all the thermal cycles. The screwdriver approach works sometimes but other times there just isn't enough clearance to do it cleanly, try it on a Volvo 240 Turbo, or for that matter a C900 16V doesn't have much clearance either. One time I tried it the screwdriver simply tore the sheetmetal of the filter casing, dripping dirty oil in my face the whole while. > The screwdriver approach ...try it on a Volvo 240 Turbo, or > for that matter a C900 16V doesn't have much clearance either. I only use it on V4s... a messy job, as that filter is horizontal and full of oil.... SignatureMH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i >>> ... wrestling with a stuck oil filter >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >I tried it the screwdriver simply tore the sheetmetal of the filter >casing, dripping dirty oil in my face the whole while. There's plenty of clearance on my 9-3, but the screwdriver trick still didn't work. I knocked it right through so it stuck out the other side and sill it just tore the metal instead of unscrewing the filter. God knows what the monkey used to tighten it - It was the first oil change I did on the car after buying it. I was left with two big gashes in the oil filter of my only useable car. I had to walk to the shops and buy a proper tool to get the thing off. Even then I had to extend the handle! Cheers, Colin. >>>>... wrestling with a stuck oil filter >>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Colin. The "proper tool" is the key. When you buy it makes all the difference on how you feel about oil changes :-) I have a 245 turbo and a Classic 900 16V turbo. I have no problems with either oil filter - because I have the proper tools. I have to jack up both cars to change the oil. The Volvo requires the removal of the engine shield. The 900 is too low to the ground to get an oil drain pan under the car - it is an SPG. Life is tough, but someone has to drive a Classic 900 SPG :-) > In an ideal world, a nut would not be an absolute necessity, however given > the number of times I've spent 30 minutes or more wrestling with a stuck > oil filter and had to resort to C clamps, screwdrivers, hammer, etc to get > the damn thing unscrewed in the real world I'm all for a nut being there. And of course with those "quality" dealer Saab service guys out there, they get wrenched on. I had to take mine back to the dealer where they wrenched on the oil filter so hard they had to drive a pin through it to untorque it...and they'd also impacted the oil pan bolt. To make things even better, they tried to shirk responsibility saying I could have done it...Hmm..it'd been 3100 miles since my last change and it was serviced there. I now avoid any Saab service station that works on anything else. I was in S. Florida and took it to a combo Isuzu, Buick, Saab shop. Big freakin mistake. > So, an extremely brief moment of silence for our old blue-can friend. > And if these GM filters are a superior filter to the Saab original, and > I am sure they are, since there is little other reason to go through > the expense of redesigning the can, then may these filters be > successful. I picked one up a few weeks ago for my Viggen and I got a Genuine Saab filter but noticed it was a black filter with gold lettering not the standard blue can with white lettering. It did come in a Saab box and it does have Saab painted on it in gold lettering. Perhaps they figured out they need to say Saab on them? I got mine at Internation Saab in Falls Church, VA. > > So, an extremely brief moment of silence for our old blue-can friend. > > And if these GM filters are a superior filter to the Saab original, and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they need to say Saab on them? > I got mine at Internation Saab in Falls Church, VA. Witch Dr, Who are you and where do you live in the D.C. area? I am not far from that dealership SG > Can someone explain to me what is so special about "Genuine Saab" oil > filters? Is this of interest primarily to numbers-matching resto types > or what? Basically the reason is that 'not all filters are created equal'. The genuine Saab branded item ( made by purolator ? ) is supposed to be better ( construction etc ) than some replacement brands. I've also noticed that the genuine Saab item is competitively priced ! UK Saab specialists Neo Brothers will sell you a genuine Saab filter for £2.50 ! Oil Filter 9000 86-98 Part Number 914 4445 £2.50(ex VAT) Graham > Can someone explain to me what is so special about "Genuine Saab" oil > filters? Is this of interest primarily to numbers-matching resto types > or what? Yeah, but it works both ways. In part this exposes Saab's bullshit advertising about 'Genuine Saab' parts. I have no problems in using parts from other sources if they are cheaper and can do the same job. However, if I go to a Saab dealer and pay Saab prices, I expect to get the genuine article. >> Just wait till their stock run out. ;o) > > Yes, so I hear... Well, you can still buy them in case lots from > eEuroparts.com. Might be worth the investment considering I have 2 to > care for... Why? Being that the new filters suppossedly should be better... Signature----------------------------------- Dyrlægebiler - Det intelligente valg >>>Just wait till their stock run out. ;o) >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Why? Being that the new filters suppossedly should be better... Says who? As it turns out, I found some Purolator filters (known to be among the best around) for half the price of the SAAB branded ones and stocked up on those instead. Signature-Fred W >> Why? Being that the new filters suppossedly should be better... > > Says who? Says a Tech at the factory. It's the guy who teaches all Saab-mech's and writes all technical stuff. Besides, it was developed to try and prevent the sludge problem in the 9-5 engine. Signature----------------------------------- Dyrlægebiler - Det intelligente valg >>>Why? Being that the new filters suppossedly should be better... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Besides, it was developed to try and prevent the sludge problem in the 9-5 > engine. OK - thanks. But now we know who your inside connection is... ;-) Signature-Fred W |
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