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Car Forum / Saab Cars / February 2006

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Saab '89 9000s electrical (only fires with low battery)

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backwatereddy - 24 Feb 2006 16:17 GMT
This thing will not fire a plug unless the alternator is disconnected and the
battery is almost dead and then it will only run until the battery finishes
dying. I have swapped computers with another one, so I am sure it is not that.
. Could this be as simple as a bad alternator? Or is there some other Saab
quirk I need to know about?
es - 24 Feb 2006 18:34 GMT
does your car have  DI?
backwatereddy - 25 Feb 2006 00:39 GMT
We have just exposed my ignorance. What is DI?

>does your car have  DI?
Walt Kienzle - 25 Feb 2006 01:05 GMT
DI=Direct Ignition.  If your motor has spark plug wires and a distributor,
it doesn't have DI.

I thought DI was introduced in early the 1990's, so you probably don't have
it.

Walt Kienzle
1991 9000T

> We have just exposed my ignorance. What is DI?
>
>>does your car have  DI?
backwatereddy - 25 Feb 2006 03:08 GMT
Thanks, I'm learning stuff. You're right, it does not have DI. Does this make
troubleshooting harder or easier?

>DI=Direct Ignition.  If your motor has spark plug wires and a distributor,
>it doesn't have DI.
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>>>does your car have  DI?
Walt Kienzle - 25 Feb 2006 03:51 GMT
I can't speak for the rest of the group, but lack of DI makes it harder for
me to provide suggestions.  The last car with a distributor that I worked on
also had points and condenser (pre electronic ignition).  Age makes
recollection of those experiences somewhat vague.

> Thanks, I'm learning stuff. You're right, it does not have DI. Does this
> make
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>>>>does your car have  DI?
Pidgeonpost - 25 Feb 2006 16:13 GMT
>I can't speak for the rest of the group, but lack of DI makes it harder for
>me to provide suggestions.  The last car with a distributor that I worked
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>>>>>does your car have  DI?

....the nice thing about diagnosing problems on DI, is that all you have to
do is to replace the DI cassette with a known good one, if only temporarily,
to see if that's the problem. With conventional coil/distributor ignition
you have to work your way through coil, HT leads, distributor cap, rotor
arm, spark plugs etc trying to nail the fault. Having said that, it's
probably cheaper to replace all the conventional components than it is to
replace the DI cassette with a new one!
Walt Kienzle - 25 Feb 2006 17:39 GMT
> ....the nice thing about diagnosing problems on DI, is that all you have
> to do is to replace the DI cassette with a known good one, if only
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> conventional components than it is to replace the DI cassette with a new
> one!

Well said.  I have a story that goes a step further in illustrating pricing:
A friend of mine found a failed small component in the distributor that was
causing his car to stall.  The part was only available from the dealer and
cost US$130.  He also discovered that rebuilt distributors were readily
available for US$90 and they included the part he needed, along with all
sort of other renewed parts, and it came with a 1 year warranty.

BTW, I bought a new, red DI cassette a few months ago and thought it was a
bargain at US$299.00

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