Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
HomeAnnouncements
Discussion Groups
By Brand
BMWChevroletDodgeFordGMHondaLexusMercedes-BenzNissanPeugeotToyotaVolkswagenOther Brands
By Topic
4x4 CarsRVsDrivingMaintenance & RepairCar AudioCollectible Cars
Country Specific
Australian ForumsUK Forums
ArticlesAuto InsuranceBuyingCars & TechnologyMaintenanceMiscellaneousSafety
DMV Resources
Related Topics
MotorcyclesBoatsMore Topics ...

Car Forum / Saab Cars / March 2006

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Electrical Mystery

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
Ludwig - 28 Feb 2006 05:41 GMT
This problem has me stumped (and stranded in Reseda.)  Mechanic's
looking at it tomorrow morning anyway, but I thought I'd throw this out
here as a sort of a Car Talk gedankenexperiment.

A few days ago the left headlight started acting flaky, randomly going
out on normal beam but always okay on high beam.  Probably a loose
connection, but I hadn't gotten around to checking it.

Drove four hundred miles down to Los Angeles without incident, and then
around town all weekend.  On my way back this afternoon in moderate
rain and heavy traffic, the OEM Clarion radio's audio cut out, although
the display was still on.  Shortly thereafter, the LCD display and
separate EQ unit started flickering, but the backlight remained steady.
Very shortly after that, the engine stuttered and stalled out.  Not
enough juice for the starter to even try to crank.  A jumpstart worked,
but the engine only ran for a minute or two after the donor was
disconnected.  The charge light never came on throughout all of this.
The battery and alternator are both brand new, and the belts are fine.
I disconnected the left headlamp on the chance that it was causing a
short, but that didn't help.

Clearly there's a short somewhere, maybe caused by the wet weather, but
what could be shorting that isn't protected by a fuse?  I know a
burnt-out charge light will interrupt the charging circuit, but that
wouldn't account for the radio symptoms.  The headlight issue seems
probably unrelated.  There's no visible water leak into the engine
compartment, except maybe into the ventilation system's fresh-air
intake door (but the air conditioning was off -- actually, it's been
drained and I've pulled the compressor out altogether, so...)

Any ideas?  The garage AAA towed it to is just some random place with
no particular Saab experience, so maybe they (and I) would benefit from
informed suggestions.

Thanks,
Ludwig
1990 C900T
Pidgeonpost - 28 Feb 2006 07:30 GMT
> This problem has me stumped (and stranded in Reseda.)  Mechanic's
> looking at it tomorrow morning anyway, but I thought I'd throw this out
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> I disconnected the left headlamp on the chance that it was causing a
> short, but that didn't help.

Sounds like an earthing and/or short cct to me. I guess your mechanic will
check your earth straps - I had one on my C900 that looked OK, but virtually
fell apart when I took hold of it. I guess it wasn't a critical one though,
as no symptoms elsewhere...
> Clearly there's a short somewhere, maybe caused by the wet weather, but
> what could be shorting that isn't protected by a fuse?  I know a
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Ludwig
> 1990 C900T
Pooh Bear - 28 Feb 2006 10:33 GMT
> Clearly there's a short somewhere

Actually it's more likely there's an 'open' not a short.

Graham
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 01 Mar 2006 14:12 GMT
>Clearly there's a short somewhere, maybe caused by the wet weather, but
>what could be shorting that isn't protected by a fuse?  I know a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>intake door (but the air conditioning was off -- actually, it's been
>drained and I've pulled the compressor out altogether, so...)

>Any ideas?  The garage AAA towed it to is just some random place with
>no particular Saab experience, so maybe they (and I) would benefit from
>informed suggestions.

Along with checking for shorts, make sure the battery charging circuit is
working. There is a charging lamp in the instrument cluster and if that's
blown, you won't get any battery charging. If it's the wrong rating you will
get some charging but not optimal, or the regulator might not kick in if it
doesn't see enough of a voltage differential.

Craig.
Signature

Craig's Saab C900 Page at      | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au
http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's
Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au  | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide!
Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc.

KeithG - 08 Mar 2006 12:12 GMT
when you jumped it, was the negative jumper cable connected to the
engine block as per instructions, or to the battery negative?

It may be that the negative cable from the alternator to the engine
block was not reattached. my best guess. Who replaced the alternator?

KeithG

> This problem has me stumped (and stranded in Reseda.)  Mechanic's
> looking at it tomorrow morning anyway, but I thought I'd throw this out
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Ludwig
> 1990 C900T
Ludwig - 13 Mar 2006 00:02 GMT
Just to update, random mechanic didn't find any problem, since it
started right up for him in the morning.  (Which didn't stop him
charging me $65.)  The problem turned out to be a break in the
alternator grounding wire right at the crimp.  The ends were still
sorta touching, thus the intermittency.  Charge went out again at 3AM
halfway up to SF, I coasted down an offramp, opened the hood, and saw
it immediately -- the arcing from the semi-open had melted the wire's
insulation.  Fortunately there was enough spare length to cut off the
melted end, strip off an inch of insulation, and wrap the bare wire
around the ground post.

Lessons learned: 1) Always bring your cell phone charger when you
travel, even if you think it's just a day trip.  If the phone had been
working I would have found the Saab specialist a few blocks from random
mechanic's 76 station. 2) Avoid random mechanics.  3) Keep a decently
stocked toolbox in the trunk; I was lucky this time that this was
fixable with nothing but a knife and a Leatherman.  4) Road flares are
a lot more fun than plastic reflecty things.  Okay, I knew that one
already.
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2008 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.