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Car Forum / Saab Cars / March 2006

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Turbo/APC guage

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Bob from Boston - 21 Mar 2006 21:13 GMT
Does anybody know what the most common ailment is regarding the turbo
guage on a 900?
I'm not sure if it might be a hose or a wire.  If it is, what/where is
the cure?  Any help will be appreciated.
Dave Hinz - 21 Mar 2006 21:26 GMT
> Does anybody know what the most common ailment is regarding the turbo
> guage on a 900?

Split hose causing hissing noise, maybe bad performance if the leak is
big enough, and sluggish response.  What problem are you seeing?

> I'm not sure if it might be a hose or a wire.  If it is, what/where is
> the cure?  Any help will be appreciated.

Strictly pneumatic, assuming an older 900.  No idea about the newer
ones.  What year/engine please?
Grunff - 21 Mar 2006 21:29 GMT
> Does anybody know what the most common ailment is regarding the turbo
> guage on a 900?
> I'm not sure if it might be a hose or a wire.  If it is, what/where is
> the cure?  Any help will be appreciated.

The gauge is connected to the inlet manifold via a hose. This can become
disconnected either at the gauge (accessible via the speaker grille on
the dash) or at the manifold (actually the hose connects to a nylon T,
which then connects to the manifold).

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Bob from Boston - 21 Mar 2006 22:09 GMT
The response is fine.  Just seems to be that the guage doesn't work.
It use to.  The car is an 87 900 convertable.
Dave Hinz - 21 Mar 2006 22:34 GMT
> The response is fine.  Just seems to be that the guage doesn't work.
> It use to.  The car is an 87 900 convertable.

Check the "tee" which is up near the brake servo in the engine
compartment, and then when that's not it, remove the left speaker grille
in the dashboard top (2 screws), stand on your head, and visualize the
fact that the hosee split off of the back of your turbo gage.  Easy fix:
cut back and re-install.  Better fix: replace that hose.  Best fix:
They're all gonna split, they're 20 years old.  Buy a few meters of new
vacuum line and redo anything you can see.

Dave
Bob from Boston - 21 Mar 2006 22:40 GMT
Thank you....  I found the problem.
Dave Hinz - 22 Mar 2006 00:59 GMT
> Thank you....  I found the problem.

Which end was it?
Fred W - 22 Mar 2006 14:42 GMT
> Thank you....  I found the problem.

yeah, so are you going to share your solution, or just your problems?

This is supposed to be a two way thing here...

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Bob from Boston - 22 Mar 2006 16:54 GMT
Sorry, I'm new to this.  It was simply a small vacuum hose at the T
connection that was mentioned to me.
Fred W - 22 Mar 2006 18:59 GMT
> Sorry, I'm new to this.  It was simply a small vacuum hose at the T
> connection that was mentioned to me.

Ah, good.  Thanks for the follow-up report.  ;-)

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-Fred W

Craig's Saab C900 Site - 22 Mar 2006 04:11 GMT
>> The response is fine.  Just seems to be that the guage doesn't work.
>> It use to.  The car is an 87 900 convertable.

>Check the "tee" which is up near the brake servo in the engine
>compartment, and then when that's not it, remove the left speaker grille
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>They're all gonna split, they're 20 years old.  Buy a few meters of new
>vacuum line and redo anything you can see.

4 mm ID silicone hose is the best way to replace aging small-bore rubber hose.
I've replaced just about all the 4 mm hose in my 1983 turbo c900, and it
does improve things when it replaces hose that's cracking and/or splitting
and has some leaks.

Craig.
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Al - 21 Mar 2006 23:34 GMT
> The response is fine.  Just seems to be that the guage doesn't work.
> It use to.  The car is an 87 900 convertable.

It's almost certainly a leak in the "air line" or vacuum hose between the
dial and the inlet manifold, as Grunff explained.

Alot of C900 pilots, myself included, add another graduated gauge.  Up to
1.5 bar (20 psi) should be more than sufficient for most C900 appications,
pushing any more than about 1.1 bar on a C900 is rare and not for the feint
hearted!  The advantage is it allows you to set base boost properly, suggest
you google for base boost set up.

You probably just blew the line off the manifold, or as happens with many
older C900's the line is perished somewhere.  Change all your vacuum lines
for silicone and you'll never have to change them again.  I got really anal
and used blue for vacuum lines and red for the cruise control circuit.

Good luck.

Al
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 22 Mar 2006 04:18 GMT
>You probably just blew the line off the manifold, or as happens with many
>older C900's the line is perished somewhere.  Change all your vacuum lines
>for silicone and you'll never have to change them again.  I got really anal
>and used blue for vacuum lines and red for the cruise control circuit.

Another thing to look at as well as the hose itself is the fitting where it
connects to the manifold. It's common for crankcase vent nipples to not make
a good seal as the rubber grommets tend to harden and crack with continually
heating and cooling of the engine. The vacuum nipple, while not subjected to
quite the same level of heating/cooling as the engine block and cylinder
head itself, certainly gets hot and over time the grommet will stop making a
proper seal. They're cheap to replace for places like PFS, etc. of any of
the other online Saab parts suppliers.

There is probably a better way to do those vacuum connections, and it could
well be possible to tap a thread in the grommet hole of the manifold and
install some sort of a machined brass fitting onto which the vacuum lines to
the brake booster, etc. can attach, but to date I haven't see it attempted.
I don't know if the cast aluminium of the intake manifolds on the 8V or 16V
engines has enough aluminium cast around the grommet hole to support
something threaded into it, but if someone has done this, please let us
know!

As an aside I'm still trying to find brass or similar alloy replacements for
the high-temp AC cutout swtich t-housing that mounts in the middle of the
upper radiator hose in my 8V cars. Do the 16V engines utilise a
similarly-mounted thermoswitch mounted in the top radiator hose?

Craig.
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