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My son just bought 1 97 900SE Turbo. I changed the oil about 2 weeks after he bought it from a GM dealership. I measured the oil and there was nearly 8 quarts in it, instead of 4.1. Could this have caused any damage? Thanks, Ron What is a quarter in litres? /B > My son just bought 1 97 900SE Turbo. I changed the oil about 2 weeks > after he bought it from a GM dealership. I measured the oil and there > was nearly 8 quarts in it, instead of 4.1. Could this have caused any > damage? > > Thanks, Ron  Signature---------------------------------------- Jag använder gratisversionen av SPAMfighter för privata användare. 65 spam har blivit blockerade hittills. Betalande användare har inte meddelande i sin e-post. Hämta gratis SPAMfighter här: http://www.spamfighter.com/lse A quart is a quarter gallon, ~ 1 litre. Google says: 1 US quart = 0.94635295 litres > What is a quarter in litres? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> Thanks, Ron Just curious if the dealer might have put in too much oil to hide something. Ron >My son just bought 1 97 900SE Turbo. I changed the oil about 2 weeks >after he bought it from a GM dealership. I measured the oil and there >was nearly 8 quarts in it, instead of 4.1. Could this have caused any >damage? > >Thanks, Ron > My son just bought 1 97 900SE Turbo. I changed the oil about 2 weeks > after he bought it from a GM dealership. I measured the oil and there > was nearly 8 quarts in it, instead of 4.1. Does Saab in the USA specify oil requirements in quarts ? I find it perplexing how the USA uses such old-fashioned funny units. We use litres here - as they do in Sweden. Not *liters* btw. Graham >> My son just bought 1 97 900SE Turbo. I changed the oil about 2 weeks >> after he bought it from a GM dealership. I measured the oil and there >> was nearly 8 quarts in it, instead of 4.1. >Does Saab in the USA specify oil requirements in quarts ? I find it perplexing >how the USA uses such old-fashioned funny units. We use litres here - as they do >in Sweden. Not *liters* btw. It's 'litres' here in Australia too. The US seems to like using olde-worlde types of measurement. But I know why fuel is still measured in gallons there - it makes the amount of fuel being used by a vehicle seem less when quoted in MPG than if you quote it in litres per 100 km. 8-) Maybe it would be a rude shock (no offence to all of you in the US) to the US population and industry in general if they were forced to start using metric units of measurement for automotive specifications. Can you imagine if the industry was made to produce wheels and tyres in metric sizes? The US government would hate that since it would give the French a chance to assert superiority by virtue of the TRX and other metric wheel/tyre standards. 8-) Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide! Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc. >>>My son just bought 1 97 900SE Turbo. I changed the oil about 2 weeks >>>after he bought it from a GM dealership. I measured the oil and there [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > French a chance to assert superiority by virtue of the TRX and other metric > wheel/tyre standards. 8-) Yeah, 'cause that worked so well the last time... Signature-Fred W >>I find it perplexing >>how the USA uses such old-fashioned funny units. You lot came up with them, Graham. > We use litres here - as they do >>in Sweden. Not *liters* btw. Yeah, we use those too, and feel free to spel it however you'd like. > It's 'litres' here in Australia too. The US seems to like using olde-worlde > types of measurement. But I know why fuel is still measured in gallons there > - it makes the amount of fuel being used by a vehicle seem less when quoted > in MPG than if you quote it in litres per 100 km. 8-) C'mon, that's like saying "stuff sounds more expensive in .au because your dollars are smaller". Meaningless. It's all in what the current unit of (measure) for (thing) is. > Maybe it would be a rude shock (no offence to all of you in the US) to the > US population and industry in general if they were forced to start using > metric units of measurement for automotive specifications. Why force anything? Important stuff (medical, other scientific, much food) is done with metric measurements. The social inertia, and the tooling costs to change, aren't trivial, and the "cost" of it being the way it is, is trivial. > Can you imagine if the industry was made to produce wheels and tyres in > metric sizes? The US government would hate that since it would give the > French a chance to assert superiority by virtue of the TRX and other metric > wheel/tyre standards. 8-) Where do you people come up with this stuff? What does the US government have to do with the fact that TRX was a lousy standard in the first place? Oh, and what exactly is 185/65 if not metric? Oh, wait, the 15. BFD. At least we've got something descriptive, rather than "H-78-15" which was an old standard. Again, who cares if it's in inches, centimeters, furlongs per kumquat, or something else? More to the point, why care what a different country does? Our culture isn't such that the governemnt can "force" us to change our measurement system, it just doesn't work that way. Important stuff is done in metric, but cookbooks will be in cups, tablespoons, and teaspoons for a long long time. Where have you been? The US measurements are old British units. We will be dragged kicking, screaming, scratching, biting, hair pulling and most likely shooting into the metric system. We will be asking questions later, mostly about how many did we shoot, how many times did we have to reload and if there were any French. Soda is in liters when in bottles but in ounces in cans. Nutrition is in calories/grams/milligrams when the package is ounces/pounds/gallons. At the doctors, you get medicine in measured in mg, weighed in pounds, height measured in inches/feet, and bodily fluids measured in ml/dl. For the cars tires are in inches, fuel in gallons and go miles per hour. All the belts, screws and other parts are in mm (on the "foreign" and "domestic" brands) A side note- The Pontiac G6 is made in Australia and is domestic The Honda Accord is made in Ohio and both the Mercedes and BMW SUVs are made in South Caroilna and are "foreign" Ben Franklin revised/created our "English". There are 280,000,000 Americans vs 50,000,000 English, yet we speak "English". And, why is the Royal Family's motto in French? Jeremy. SignatureVisit my Saab & me at: http://jerem43.home.att.net >> My son just bought 1 97 900SE Turbo. I changed the oil about 2 weeks >> after he bought it from a GM dealership. I measured the oil and there [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Graham Interesting compilation, but one minor correction. The Pontiac G6 is made in the US, in Orion Township, Michigan. You might be thinking of the Pontiac GTO, which is essentially a rebadged Holden Monaro from Australia. On another side note: when equipped with an automatic transmission, the GTO also comes with a "US Gas Guzzler Tax" of $1,300. [snip] > A side note- The Pontiac G6 is made in Australia and is domestic > The Honda Accord is made in Ohio and both the [snip] oopsie SignatureVisit my Saab & me at: http://jerem43.home.att.net > Interesting compilation, but one minor correction. The Pontiac G6 is made > in the US, in Orion Township, Michigan. You might be thinking of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> The Honda Accord is made in Ohio and both the > [snip] > Where have you been? The US measurements are old British units. We will be > dragged kicking, screaming, scratching, biting, hair pulling and most likely > shooting into the metric system. We will be asking questions later, mostly > about how many did we shoot, how many times did we have to reload and if > there were any French. However, most of the casualties are likely to be your countrymen or their allies. The French will have munched their cheese ration and surrendered ages ago (c; <snip> > Ben Franklin revised/created our "English". There are 280,000,000 Americans > vs 50,000,000 English, yet we speak "English". And, why is the Royal > Family's motto in French? The British invented America. And because the Royal Family is German. SignatureDouglas >The British invented America. And because the Royal Family is German. Yeah, but we've since re-invented it. :-) As to the original post - Yes, you could have caused damage from the oil excess. You need to get a letter from the dealer stating that they will cover any repairs cased by the overfill. Off the top of my head, you may have damaged things like O2 sensors, the cat converter, engine seals, etc. As to the liter vs. quart argument... for all practical purposes when changing the oil they are the same thing. 4 quarts = 4 liters. >> Where have you been? The US measurements are old British units. We >> will be dragged kicking, screaming, scratching, biting, hair pulling [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > <snip> Hey, propane tanks, lawn gnomes, garden sculptures and anyone hunting with the Vice President are valid targets. Just remember there will be a three drink minimum. > Hey, propane tanks, lawn gnomes, garden sculptures and anyone hunting > with the Vice President are valid targets. Just remember there will be a > three drink minimum. Hey, laugh it up, but you've got to admire someone who can shoot a lawyer in the face and get away with it. >Soda is in liters when in bottles but in ounces in cans. That's a bit silly. The standard size soft drink (aka soda, pop, whatever) can size in Australia is 375 ml (millilitres) - aka 0.375 L. >Nutrition is in calories/grams/milligrams when the package is >ounces/pounds/gallons. Calories are not SI units - the correct SI unit for measuring energy is the kilojoule (and that has important automotive implications since kilojoules has a relationship to the kilowatt power output ratings of engines). >At the doctors, you get medicine in measured in mg, weighed in pounds, >height measured in inches/feet, and bodily fluids measured in ml/dl. >For the cars tires are in inches, fuel in gallons and go miles per hour. All >the belts, screws and other parts are in mm (on the "foreign" and "domestic" >brands) > A side note- The Pontiac G6 is made in Australia and is domestic He he is that what the Holden Monaro is called in the US? Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide! Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc. >> A side note- The Pontiac G6 is made in Australia and is domestic > > He he is that what the Holden Monaro is called in the US? is that still made or have they discontinued the Monaro? ISTR that the guys on Top Gear were totally mad over this car only to learn shortly later that it wasn't being made any more? Something like that anyway. ("Think of it as your cousin from the outback. He might not be able to cite Shakespeare, but he can take out all your teeth with one punch." -- Jeremy Clarkson about the Monaro) SignatureMichael Hellwig aka The Eye olymp.idle.at admin to contact me via email, use michael.hellwig@uni-ulm.de don't hesitate to look at http://laerm.or.at >>> A side note- The Pontiac G6 is made in Australia and is domestic >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > cite Shakespeare, but he can take out all your teeth with one punch." > -- Jeremy Clarkson about the Monaro) An excellent car which is now out of production. Holden auctioned the last one on e-bay where it went for the very tidy sum of A$187,000 odd. http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/news?categoryID=5&articleID=1420&navC ategoryId=5 >>>> A side note- The Pontiac G6 is made in Australia and is domestic >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/news?categoryID=5&articleID=1420&navC ategoryId=5 Man... you don't get much for your dollar in Oz, do you? Signature-Fred W > Man... you don't get much for your dollar in Oz, do you? Well the clown/enthusiast who paid that amount certainly didn't. Generally speaking though our dollar is around about the same as the Canuck dollar. One of ours buys about the same amount of rubbish as one of yours, perhaps we get less food colourants, GM and preservatives for our dollar. The Holden factory also makes the V6 engines which are in the latest crop of Saabs. Some classic older Australian muscle cars pull huge sums of money these days. A Ford XY HO Phase III, circa 1970 sells for around A$200,000 these days if you can find one for sale. http://members.iinet.net.au/~campbell1/fgt.htm#XY%20GT%20and%20GT%20HO%20Phase%20III Thanks to the Max Max movies our stock of XA/XB Fords is steadily diminishing as they get imported into the US. At least they are going into the hands of enthusiasts who will preserve them in all likelihood. SignatureVisit my Saab & me at: http://jerem43.home.att.net >>Soda is in liters when in bottles but in ounces in cans. > > That's a bit silly. The standard size soft drink (aka soda, pop, whatever) > can size in Australia is 375 ml (millilitres) - aka 0.375 L. Actually, the soda that is sold in bottles is .5, 1, 2 or 3 liters. There are three exceptions- the 8 oz (about 235ml) glass, the 12 oz (about 355ml) bottle and the 20 oz (about 591 ml) bottle. Cans are 8 or 12 oz . >>Nutrition is in calories/grams/milligrams when the package is >>ounces/pounds/gallons. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > kilojoule (and that has important automotive implications since kilojoules > has a relationship to the kilowatt power output ratings of engines). The calorie is a metric unit, specifically it is the quantity of thermal energy required to raise one gram of water 1°C at 15°C. When dealing with nutritionial intake, that is the unit the USDA & the AMA uses, I believe that is what they use in Canada as well. I do not know why they use these measurments but they do. Checkout http://www.nutrition.gov for US standards on well, er, nutrition. By the way, a moderately active, average male (US is 5 ' 10"/1.8 m 160 lbs/72 Kg) should take in about 2000 calories a day. >>At the doctors, you get medicine in measured in mg, weighed in pounds, >>height measured in inches/feet, and bodily fluids measured in ml/dl. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > He he is that what the Holden Monaro is called in the US? I was corrected, it is the Pontiac GTO that is the Holden Monaro. (what is a Monaro anyway?) > Craig. SignatureMH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i > what is a Monaro anyway? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monaro%2C_New_South_Wales "Monaro (pronounced "mon-air'-ro") is the name of a region in the south of New South Wales, Australia." SignatureMH '72 97 '77 96 '78 95 '79 96 '91 900i > The calorie is a metric unit, specifically it is the quantity of thermal > energy required to raise one gram of water 1°C at 15°C. Actually, the calorie is a quirk from the old and abandoned cgs ( centimetre gram second ) system of metric units replaced in the more rationalised MKS ( metre kilogram second ) and the current SI ( syteme internationale ) by the Joule which is 1 watt-second. Graham >>My son just bought 1 97 900SE Turbo. I changed the oil about 2 weeks >>after he bought it from a GM dealership. I measured the oil and there [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Graham Can the Saab oil pan actually hold 8 qt/l of oil? The tranmission will hold up to that much fluid (probably 6-7 qt/l) and depending on the type of trans fluid (is it an auto or stick?) it may not be red (older Saabs use Ford type-F). Are you sure it was oil and not another fluid? Jeremy |
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