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Car Forum / Saab Cars / June 2006

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Crazy Saab insurance prices in Minnesota

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j - 22 Jun 2006 21:05 GMT
A friend of mine has a 1992 Saab 900 that she bought about a year ago
for $1000.  Recently, I was shocked to find out she was paying over
$1000 a year for LIABILITY only insurance.  She's 28 and has zero
problems on her record.  No accidents, no tickets.  So I'm thinking
she's getting screwed and got her a quote from my insurance company,
Amica.  They quoted over $1100/year!

Can anyone else with an older Saab in MN chime in?  Are there any
companies here that are better than others?  I think it's just insanity
that she pays more for insurance each year than she paid for the car.
The agent could not properly explain it.  It is just that statistically
speaking, drivers of older Saabs in MN should have their licenses
revoked?

Thanks,

Jason
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 23 Jun 2006 06:40 GMT
>A friend of mine has a 1992 Saab 900 that she bought about a year ago
>for $1000.  Recently, I was shocked to find out she was paying over
>$1000 a year for LIABILITY only insurance.  She's 28 and has zero
>problems on her record.  No accidents, no tickets.  So I'm thinking
>she's getting screwed and got her a quote from my insurance company,
>Amica.  They quoted over $1100/year!

Here in Oz, each state has a similar but different compulsory 3rd-party
insurance that you must buy before registration is renewed. If you don't
take out full-comp insurance as well, the price you are charged for CTP is
around 175 to 250 percent higher than if you do take out full-comp insurance
as well.

Could that be similar to what's happening with the situation described
above?

Craig.
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Richard Sutherland-Smith - 23 Jun 2006 07:54 GMT
>>A friend of mine has a 1992 Saab 900 that she bought about a year ago
>>for $1000.  Recently, I was shocked to find out she was paying over
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>
> Craig.
No compulsory insurance in NZ; wish there was, it would get some of
the hoons off the road!

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Craig's Saab C900 Site - 23 Jun 2006 09:08 GMT
>>>A friend of mine has a 1992 Saab 900 that she bought about a year ago
>>>for $1000.  Recently, I was shocked to find out she was paying over
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>No compulsory insurance in NZ; wish there was, it would get some of
>the hoons off the road!

But then we wouldn't have any good material for new episodes of 'Motorway
Patrol'. 8-)

Craig.

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j - 25 Jun 2006 08:40 GMT
No.  I have liability only and it's $525/year.  I will detail the
differences in another post.

> >A friend of mine has a 1992 Saab 900 that she bought about a year ago
> >for $1000.  Recently, I was shocked to find out she was paying over
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au  | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide!
> Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc.
Lionel Hutz - 23 Jun 2006 15:41 GMT
> A friend of mine has a 1992 Saab 900 that she bought about a year ago
> for $1000.  Recently, I was shocked to find out she was paying over
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Jason

Jason-

You may want to get some other quotes.  State Farm charges me about
$1000 a year for liability and comprehensive. I'm also only 24 and have
a ticket or two.  Maybe she isn't being honest with you about her
driving record.  Ha ha....

A-
j - 25 Jun 2006 08:39 GMT
What state is this?  MN is one of the most expensive states for car
insurance.

> > A friend of mine has a 1992 Saab 900 that she bought about a year ago
> > for $1000.  Recently, I was shocked to find out she was paying over
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> A-
Jonathan Kaplan - 24 Jun 2006 13:38 GMT
Be glad you don't live in NJ. That same coverage would probably cost $1,500
to $2000.

NJ home to the highest car insurance in the country and home to insurance
rating based on job title, college degrees, and credit score. (Geico and
others).
j - 25 Jun 2006 08:45 GMT
Some further info: she says she has a completely clean record and I
would trust her with my life.  Second, I own a 2000 Ford Escort ZX2.  I
am 30 and male.  I have liability only insurance for $525/year.  I also
have a clean record.  Also, the liability coverage on mine is actually
HIGHER than hers.  I have $100k and she has only $70k.  The only thing
I can possibly think of is that her car is more likely to break down
and cause a wreck.  But still, twice as much?  Seems ridiculous.  I
might convince her to try some other agents, but I'm doubting Amica is
overcharging by 100%...

> A friend of mine has a 1992 Saab 900 that she bought about a year ago
> for $1000.  Recently, I was shocked to find out she was paying over
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Jason
Walt Kienzle - 25 Jun 2006 15:56 GMT
Amica?  They probably don't have enough of a customer base to insure any
other Saabs.  (Just kidding).  I looked on their web site.  Amica is one of
the insurance companies that use a "credit based insurance score".  Using
this method, the number of payments she has missed is just as important as
the number of citations or accidents.  If she is heavily in debt, that is
almost as bad.  Does she know her credit score?

Not to brag, but I have a 1991 9000T with $100K of liability coverage, plus
medical, roadside assistance, uninsured motorist liability and uninsured
motorist property damage.  It costs me less than $300/year for coverage
($140 for 6 months) with State Farm.  Maybe you should move to Illinois -
its not that far away ;-).

Walt Kienzle

> Some further info: she says she has a completely clean record and I
> would trust her with my life.  Second, I own a 2000 Ford Escort ZX2.  I
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>>
>> Jason
Jonathan Kaplan - 26 Jun 2006 00:42 GMT
Unfortunately in NJ almost all the companies are now using credit based
rating. Once the state allowed Geico and Mercury to do it, everyone else
followed.

> Amica?  They probably don't have enough of a customer base to insure any
> other Saabs.  (Just kidding).  I looked on their web site.  Amica is one
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>>>
>>> Jason
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 27 Jun 2006 01:53 GMT
>Unfortunately in NJ almost all the companies are now using credit based
>rating. Once the state allowed Geico and Mercury to do it, everyone else
>followed.

Lets hope that doesn't start to happen here or there will be masses of
people who cannot afford insurance for their house, car, etc.

I think it's rather offensive for a company to say I'd have to pay a higher
premium because I might have missed a mortage payment now and then, or had a
credit card account go over the limit and unpaid for a period of time.

Why charge more for insurance in those cases when it doubles the problem for
the person wanting to take out the insurance! But it's all based on risk
modelling, and I expect (to divert from Saab issues for a moment) that it's
mainly due to the way BASEL-II is changing the way financial companies do
their risk analysis.

In the end it'll hurt the economy because it'll make people stop using cars
and that means reduced government revenues, reduced income for oil
companies, reduced sales of new cars, more mechanics closing down, etc.
And it will ensure that the wedge between people with limitless funds and
those who have very little will get bigger and the wealth concentration will
grow.

Regards,

Craig.
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