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1985 sputters.  broken level sending unit???

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Rod H - 25 Jun 2006 22:41 GMT
I have a 1985 900s that after driving approx 200 miles from a full tank of
gas it will start to sputter.  as if it is running out of gas.  (although I
don't know what that's like have never done it).  Seems to run fine after I
fill it.

The gas gauge does not work.  My suspicion is that maybe the gauge is simply
floating in the tank and when it gets down to approx 5 gallons left, the
gauge is blocking the line that would feed the engine.  any thoughts out
there?

If you think this could cause it should I wait till gas is low before trying
to get broken pieces out (If indeed that's what it is).  or should I have a
full tank of gas to try to remove broken pieces.  I will assume that the
pieces float and I would want a full tank to remove pieces easier.

thanks
rod
Rob Muller - 27 Jun 2006 00:12 GMT
>The gas gauge does not work.  My suspicion is that maybe the gauge is simply
>floating in the tank and when it gets down to approx 5 gallons left, the
>gauge is blocking the line that would feed the engine.  any thoughts out
>there?

This sounds really unlikely to me.

Maybe the problem is caused by water in the tank?

Rob
Rod H - 27 Jun 2006 03:15 GMT
thanks for the input.  who would of thought that a 20+ year old car just
might have water in the tank.  I guess not me.

rod

>>The gas gauge does not work.  My suspicion is that maybe the gauge is
>>simply
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> Rob
Rob Muller - 27 Jun 2006 15:07 GMT
>thanks for the input.  who would of thought that a 20+ year old car just
>might have water in the tank.  I guess not me.

Note that I am not trying to be funny.

It is a valid explanation why the engine sputters when there is only a
certain amount of fuel left in the tank. When water in the tank is
causing the problem I would expect the stuttering getting worse when
the amount of fuel is getting less. Is this happening?

You can try adding some water remover to see if it cures the problem.

http://www.stp.com/fuel_water.html

Rob
Rod H - 29 Jun 2006 13:22 GMT
I agree with you.  and I will try some water remover.  when the car sputters
I normally get gas in it fairly quick.

thanks
rod

>>thanks for the input.  who would of thought that a 20+ year old car just
>>might have water in the tank.  I guess not me.
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> Rob
Craig's Saab C900 Site - 27 Jun 2006 00:54 GMT
>I have a 1985 900s that after driving approx 200 miles from a full tank of
>gas it will start to sputter.  as if it is running out of gas.  (although I
>don't know what that's like have never done it).  Seems to run fine after I
>fill it.

>The gas gauge does not work.  My suspicion is that maybe the gauge is simply
>floating in the tank and when it gets down to approx 5 gallons left, the
>gauge is blocking the line that would feed the engine.  any thoughts out
>there?

Your car should have the later style of VDO fuel level sender with a small
3-pin connector that is seperate from the fuel pump power feed wiring. When
I first got my 1985 900i it's fuel sender was completely dismembered inside
the tank and the only part left in place was the top and 5 percent of the
steel rod that the float slides along. The rod had broken where the threaded
section right at the top stopped, so the whole body of the sender, plus the
float, had fallen to the bottom of the tank. 8-)

Used level senders are not hard to find - just borrow one from a wrecked
1983 or later classic 900. Providing you don't get the white plastic bodied
sender (used up to about 1982), you can do a direct replacement as far as I
know. Saab had a retro-fit kit to upgrade from the old type sender so I
don't know if that was a factory recall type mod or something optional.

Or you can get them from sellers on Ebay fairly often.

>If you think this could cause it should I wait till gas is low before trying
>to get broken pieces out (If indeed that's what it is).  or should I have a
>full tank of gas to try to remove broken pieces.  I will assume that the
>pieces float and I would want a full tank to remove pieces easier.

Well the metal rod, etc. won't float. I used a pair of long kitchen tongs to
fish around through the fuel sender hole in the top of the tank to find some
of the parts of the old sender and the float is still in there somewhere.

If you want to remove the fuel pump out of the tank you'll get a much larger
hole to get into the tank through, but you might create more work if you
find the fuel pump pickup is breaking down as well (however it could explain
some of the problems if the pick-up is falling apart or it's blocked
somehow).

Regards,

Craig.

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Rod H - 27 Jun 2006 03:34 GMT
thanks for your input.  I really didn't know if the fuel level sender pieces
would be hard to remove or not.
I might have to wait till the wife leaves the house before trying the
kitchen tong trick.

thanks again
rod

>>I have a 1985 900s that after driving approx 200 miles from a full tank of
>>gas it will start to sputter.  as if it is running out of gas.  (although
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> Craig.

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