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Car Forum / Saab Cars / September 20069000 CS model: Additional backup lights in front indicator lights??
I'm puzzled by the following: In the dutch SAABforum there is somebody offering 9000 CS model front indicators (the orange ones, so before 1995) that have on the corners an additional white section, that lights up with the backup lights, so when the car is put in reverse. So these woud be Front backup lights. This option has never been sold in the Netherlands so it seems, and frankly I never heard of it. For a photo see: http://fotos.marktplaats.nl/kopen/b/43/vIpFM161zYQ.jpg Does anyone know in which markets this option was sold? What is the proper name for this option, in English and/or swedish? It seems lots of cars *not* fitted with this option do have the required wiring lying idle in the front fender, so people could easyly fit this option... ONce they can get a hold of these special indicators Thx, NF > I'm puzzled by the following: In the dutch SAABforum there is somebody > offering 9000 CS model front indicators (the orange ones, so before > 1995) that have on the corners an additional white section, that > lights up with the backup lights, so when the car is put in reverse. Not sure about the 9000, but the c900 has front corner lights that come on when using the corresponding turn signal, and also when the car is in reverse. John  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>I'm puzzled by the following: In the dutch SAABforum there is somebody >>offering 9000 CS model front indicators (the orange ones, so before [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Not sure about the 9000, but the c900 has front corner lights that come on when > using the corresponding turn signal, and also when the car is in reverse. ...as does the NG900. Signature-Fred W >> Not sure about the 9000, but the c900 has front corner lights that come on when >> using the corresponding turn signal, and also when the car is in reverse. > >...as does the NG900. ...yes, and probably the orignal 9000 that have the bigger two colour (900 like) front indicator lights set must have had them too. At least for the North American market. In the old world side marker lights and cornering lights were illegal in most countries... Imported north American cars used to have to be adapted before being issued a license plate. But the later model 9K with the flatter nose has a smaller turning signal unit, all orange in NA (and for European spec. models from 95 onward all white). It seems that these have been made also with a backup light integrated, but this was maybe only sold into certain markets, in Holland I'm sure that was never legal, maybe in scandinavian countries it was... Check out this picture on the dutch SAAB forum to see what I mean: http://www.saabforum.nl/viewtopic.php?p=157485&highlight=#157485 So any readers from the scandinavian aerea out here that can shed a light on this? Nel >...yes, and probably the orignal 9000 that have the bigger two colour >(900 like) front indicator lights set must have had them too. At least [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >But the later model 9K with the flatter nose has a smaller turning That sounds backwards to me. My recollection is that European cars imported to the US had to b fitted with crappy "sealed-beam" headlights because all their high-performance halogen lights were illegal in the US. Cars like Citroen, with mechanical cornering lights had to be substantially modified for US import. Can't think of a North American car with cornering lights. GF >>...yes, and probably the orignal 9000 that have the bigger two colour >>(900 like) front indicator lights set must have had them too. At least [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > GF Maybe this is a difference in the definition of "cornering lights". By US standards, both my 1991 9000 and my 1990 Ford Taurus have cornering lights. These are fixed lights (they don't move as on Citroen) on the side of the car at the front of the wing/fender (not forward facing) which illuminate steadily when the turn signal is activated. Cadillac also offers this feature and has since the 1960's. Maybe I missed this earlier in the thread, but the lamp assembly in my 9000 that has the cornering lights also has lamps that come on while backing up. I believe that a change in the lamp design eliminated this feature around 1993. The Chevrolet Corvette is the only other car I know of that has side illumination while backing up - but they put it toward the rear of the car. Walt Kienzle 1991 9000 T (currently disabled with a blown slave cylinder) >Maybe I missed this earlier in the thread, but the lamp assembly in my 9000 >that has the cornering lights also has lamps that come on while backing up. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Walt Kienzle The early 9000's with the larger two coloured units, used to have them in some markets, I guess US and scandinavia. Due to regulations these were disabled on the Dutch market among other countries. See this picture: http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1551/afbeelding5uo1.jpg The later (1992 onwards) 9000 CS had a different front, with smaller turning signals, and . Although it now seems that only for the scandinavian maket these had additional rearward facing back-up lights integrated. These are a rarity, and much sought after. See picture: http://members.home.nl/nelfrikandel/motorsteun/achteruitrijlicht.jpg Some 9000's have all the wiring for this feature in place, and with some craftsmanship the standard white (on post 1995 European models) turning signals can be fitted with an extra bulb, which lights up when put in reverse, see this picture: http://xs106.xs.to/xs106/06360/Achterruitrijlicht_2.jpg >That sounds backwards to me. My recollection is that European cars imported to >the US had to b fitted with crappy "sealed-beam" headlights because all their >high-performance halogen lights were illegal in the US. Cars like Citroen, with >mechanical cornering lights had to be substantially modified for US import. This same fact happened both ways. US cars imported to European countries had to be modified also, sealed-beam headlight units, at least for the low beam, had to be removed and replaced with halogen units, cornering lights and front side marker lights had te be removed/disabled. Also any color but white used to be forbidden on the front of a car, so US cars with orange parking lights (integrated with the turning signal) were not allowed, these had to be modified as well Furthermore in the old days these regulations varied between every Euopean country, so a US car imported to Sweden, Switserland, Holland or France would need different adaptations. US manufacturors didn't even bother, and shipped the cars as they were, leaving any adaptations to the importers. Nowadays the regulations are the same for all of the EU. >Can't think of a North American car with cornering lights. There are many though. Personally I've seen them on '76 Cadillac Seville, '79 Eldorado and 1986 Eldorado. These cars we owned ourselves, and once I found out about these cornering lights, I managed to get them to work again, which was great! |
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