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Why the number 9?

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Fat Sam - 08 Mar 2007 16:54 GMT
I've wondered this for a while now.
What's the signifigance to the number 9 in Saabs naming convention?
All their cars seem to feature a number 9 in the title....900, 9000, 93,
95.....
Andrew Robert Breen - 08 Mar 2007 17:04 GMT
>I've wondered this for a while now.
>What's the signifigance to the number 9 in Saabs naming convention?
>All their cars seem to feature a number 9 in the title....900, 9000, 93,
>95.....

Originally:
Because the first SAAB car design followed on from the SAAB 91 Safir
training aircraft in their list of design projects, and as such became the
SAAB 92.

Later: It becomes a recognisable "tag" for a SAAB. Other makers do the
same. All three-figure numbers with a middle "0" are trademarked by
Peugeot, which is why Porsche were forced to re-label their 901..

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Paul Halliday - 08 Mar 2007 17:52 GMT
> Later: It becomes a recognisable "tag" for a SAAB. Other makers do the
> same. All three-figure numbers with a middle "0" are trademarked by
> Peugeot, which is why Porsche were forced to re-label their 901..

I know this is true, so it make you wonder how SAAB got to use 900 moniker
for (x0x) for nearly 20 years.

Paul

1989 900 Turbo S
http://saab.go.dyndns.org/
Andrew Robert Breen - 08 Mar 2007 19:50 GMT
>> Later: It becomes a recognisable "tag" for a SAAB. Other makers do the
>> same. All three-figure numbers with a middle "0" are trademarked by
>> Peugeot, which is why Porsche were forced to re-label their 901..
>
>I know this is true, so it make you wonder how SAAB got to use 900 moniker
>for (x0x) for nearly 20 years.

Apologies - should have been "three figure numbers with a middle 0
/only/', as I gather Pug hadn't annexed numbers with a terminating 0 - I
have no idea why, incidently.

On thinking about it, the Pug-getting-all y0x numbers dosn't fit with
Bristol marketing the 400-409 series, which must have overlapped with the
Pug y0x series by the end. Maybe Pug were unwilling to offend a firm which
had attack aeroplanes in easy reach. Come to think of it, that may explain
the SAAB 900...

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DervMan - 09 Mar 2007 16:48 GMT
>>> Later: It becomes a recognisable "tag" for a SAAB. Other makers do the
>>> same. All three-figure numbers with a middle "0" are trademarked by
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> had attack aeroplanes in easy reach. Come to think of it, that may explain
> the SAAB 900...

Hehhehehehee!

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Ken (the sane one) - 08 Mar 2007 17:29 GMT
> I've wondered this for a while now.
> What's the signifigance to the number 9 in Saabs naming convention?
> All their cars seem to feature a number 9 in the title....900, 9000, 93,
> 95.....
<switch on nerd mode>

I understand that the first saab Car was labelled the 92 because the vehicle
design which had made production prior to this ( a civilian aircraft) was
designated 91

From then on, the model nos. grew by 1
92
92b
93
94 - think this was the design code for the Sonnet 1 (2 seater sportcar)
95
96
97- think this was the design code for the Sonnet 2 (sport coupe)
98 - design code for an updated 96
99

and then I guess they thought the no. 9 was so integral to the range that it
was better to with 90, 900 and 9000 than to continue to 100

With the 9-3 and 9-5, the 3 indictes that it is a bmw 3series class vehicle
and the 5 indicates bmw 5series
Dave Hinz - 09 Mar 2007 04:43 GMT
> I've wondered this for a while now.
> What's the signifigance to the number 9 in Saabs naming convention?
> All their cars seem to feature a number 9 in the title....900, 9000, 93,
> 95.....

Saab numbered their models sequentially.  So the Saab 91 was the "Safir"
(link here: http://www.fcfk.com/safir/ ), the next thing on the design
board was the Saab 92 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_92 )

Once they got into cars, they reserved the 2-digit 9x range for them.
The 99 turned into the 900.  By then marketing folks were in charge
rather then engineers, so it got a bit wodgy and we ended up with 9-3
and 9-5 which have only vague meanings relative to the original naming
scheme.
Fred W - 09 Mar 2007 09:48 GMT
>>I've wondered this for a while now.
>>What's the signifigance to the number 9 in Saabs naming convention?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> and 9-5 which have only vague meanings relative to the original naming
> scheme.

Yes, I do believe that the marketing people looked at the BMW models and
said:  This 9 competes with the 3 series so let's call it a 9-3.  That
one competes with the 5 series, so 9-5.  If not intentional, what a huge
coincidence, eh?

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johannes - 09 Mar 2007 10:42 GMT
> >>I've wondered this for a while now.
> >>What's the signifigance to the number 9 in Saabs naming convention?
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> one competes with the 5 series, so 9-5.  If not intentional, what a huge
> coincidence, eh?

The new naming 9-3 and 9-5 is a bit ugly IMO, it doesn't even match what is
written on the cars, that's more like 9 with a smaller 3 or 5 hovering above,
easily seen as 93 and 95, or perhaps it is 729 and 59049? Hence, total
confusion. Added to that is that 900 and 9-3 models straddles between
different shapes.
johannes - 09 Mar 2007 11:47 GMT
> > >>I've wondered this for a while now.
> > >>What's the signifigance to the number 9 in Saabs naming convention?
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> confusion. Added to that is that 900 and 9-3 models straddles between
> different shapes.

BTW, an exercise for all of you (not too difficult). Prove that 9 raised to an
odd positive power will always have 9 as the last digit.
Fat Sam - 09 Mar 2007 14:36 GMT
>>>> I've wondered this for a while now.
>>>> What's the signifigance to the number 9 in Saabs naming convention?
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> 59049? Hence, total confusion. Added to that is that 900 and 9-3
> models straddles between different shapes.

Really interesting stuff guys. Thanks for all the replies.

Particularly interesting what you said Johannes, about the 9-3 and 900.
I have noticed that it's quite remarkably difficult to tell the difference
between an early 9-3 and a late 900.
Is it effectively the same car, but Saab just decided to re-badge it?
Fred W - 09 Mar 2007 15:42 GMT
>>>>>I've wondered this for a while now.
>>>>>What's the signifigance to the number 9 in Saabs naming convention?
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> between an early 9-3 and a late 900.
> Is it effectively the same car, but Saab just decided to re-badge it?

There were a few other changes, but the sheet metal was essentially
untouched.  Here:

http://www.saabnet.com/tsn/models/1999/

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th - 09 Mar 2007 18:45 GMT
>>>> I've wondered this for a while now.
>>>> What's the signifigance to the number 9 in Saabs naming convention?
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> confusion. Added to that is that 900 and 9-3 models straddles between
> different shapes.

Try typing "9" followed by "^" followed by "5" and you will get 9^5 in
most news clients (I use Thunderbird), a bit more realistic than the 9-5
notification

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johannes - 09 Mar 2007 20:13 GMT
> >>>> I've wondered this for a while now.
> >>>> What's the signifigance to the number 9 in Saabs naming convention?
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> most news clients (I use Thunderbird), a bit more realistic than the 9-5
> notification

In the days of mainframe computers, it was quite common to use large numbers
for their naming. There were IBM/360, Univax 1100 and Unisys ES7000, all to
be outdone the fictive HAL 9000 from the film '2001'.  Possibly, some of
the glamour of the computer industry (at the time) rubbed off on the naming
of cars, such as my CSE 9000 :-)
Fred W - 11 Mar 2007 23:36 GMT
>>>>> I've wondered this for a while now.
>>>>> What's the signifigance to the number 9 in Saabs naming convention?
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> most news clients (I use Thunderbird), a bit more realistic than the 9-5
> notification

9^5

(from Thunderbird)

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Fred W - 11 Mar 2007 23:50 GMT
>>>>>> I've wondered this for a while now.
>>>>>> What's the signifigance to the number 9 in Saabs naming convention?
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> (from Thunderbird)

Sumbitch, it worked.  It just showed the three characters when I was
typing it in.

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th - 12 Mar 2007 19:24 GMT
<snip>

>>> Try typing "9" followed by "^" followed by "5" and you will get 9^5
>>> in most news clients (I use Thunderbird), a bit more realistic than
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
:-)

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