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Car Forum / Saab Cars / September 2007What killed this group?
Just wondering....was quite active and informative a year or so ago.... > Just wondering....was quite active and informative a year or > so ago.... And who are you? You don't seem to be a regular member. Maybe a troll? >> Just wondering....was quite active and informative a year or >> so ago.... > > And who are you? You don't seem to be a regular member. Maybe a troll? Non-binary usenet in general appears to be being used less and less. My guess is that it's a combination of faster and faster connections combined with readily available, "pretty" forums.  SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > >> Just wondering....was quite active and informative a year or > >> so ago.... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > My guess is that it's a combination of faster and faster connections > combined with readily available, "pretty" forums. Maybe that's the case. But I like the simplicity and elegance of ng. Far easier to follow and to search in the groups.google archive. Also the fact that it is slightly offbeat in the public conscience. I.e. news reporters always refer to it as "chat-rooms" or "forums", perhaps to keep the secret of usenet to themselves. >> >> Just wondering....was quite active and informative a year or >> >> so ago.... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Maybe that's the case. It seems to be. Take a look at the Barry Boys forum to see that anybody with a keyboard, mouse and no brain cells can get on t'internet forums these days. > But I like the simplicity and elegance of ng. I also like the fact that you can view stuff offline. > Far easier to follow and to search in the groups.google archive. > Also the fact that it is slightly offbeat in the public conscience. Yes. It's that slight geekiness, isn't it... :) > I.e. news reporters always refer to it as "chat-rooms" or "forums", > perhaps to keep the secret of usenet to themselves. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >> Non-binary usenet in general appears to be being used less and less. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I.e. news reporters always refer to it as "chat-rooms" or "forums", >perhaps to keep the secret of usenet to themselves. Hmmm, I used to look here quite a bit more ofthen in the old days of 56k Modem connections and so on. This MI5 nut spamming half the NG to death isn't helping either... Maybe after all this time I need to start finding outr how the ban/kill funtion of my old news reader works... On another note, we, the Dutch saabforum members, had a nice SAAB meeting the other weekend, check out the photo's at: http://tinyurl.com/yr72gy Next weekend there will be another gettogether, I'll post a link to the pics again, if appreciated... > >> Non-binary usenet in general appears to be being used less and less. > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Maybe after all this time I need to start finding outr how the > ban/kill funtion of my old news reader works... Just ignore him. he started about 10 years ago and comes back from time to time, he is repeating the same old stuff. Notice that the dates are very old. Nobody engages with him. >>> Just wondering....was quite active and informative a year or >>> so ago.... >> >> And who are you? You don't seem to be a regular member. Maybe a troll? >Non-binary usenet in general appears to be being used less and less. We're all supposed to be 'blogging' nowadays. Blogs are annoying to use because you have to troll through so much content to find things of interest. At least with newsgroups and forums it's fairly trivial to skip over things that are not interesting and go straight for the 'meaty' bits. 8-) >My guess is that it's a combination of faster and faster connections >combined with readily available, "pretty" forums. Probably part of it, but the forums need to be good quality without the overbearing 'steering' of content for a certain purpose like what happens with the forums at a certain saabnet website. At least here in this free and open newsgroup all discussion is welcomed no matter if someone else happens to agree or disagree with a point of view. That's the true value of newsgroups, and it's what forum sites should do to but unfortunately at least one has commercial interests as a higher priority than allow free, open access and discussions. Regards, Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide! Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc. >Probably part of it, but the forums need to be good quality without the >overbearing 'steering' of content for a certain purpose like what happens [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >least one has commercial interests as a higher priority than allow free, >open access and discussions. saabnet.com is infinitely more useful than 'enthusiast' sites which detail useless crap like how to fit LEDs, etc. Saabnet has been going for a very long time and its database is searchable by non members which makes it almost as useful as an online manual. Saabscene.co.uk is also a very useful forum. alt.autos.saab seems to have gone very quiet over the last 12 months or so. I presume that this reflects the general decline of Saab since GM arse raped it. >>Probably part of it, but the forums need to be good quality without the >>overbearing 'steering' of content for a certain purpose like what happens [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > or so. I presume that this reflects the general decline of Saab since > GM arse raped it. On the other hand, there are many people being introduced to Saab *because* of the GM influence. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >On the other hand, there are many people being introduced to Saab *because* >of the GM influence. But they are not being introduced to real Saabs, only to the ghost of the "brand". Long time GM customers are used to a diet of multi hued sh.t and would only expect more of the same, so they will inadvertently aid and abet the loss of Saab DNA. >>On the other hand, there are many people being introduced to Saab >>*because* [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > sh.t and would only expect more of the same, so they will > inadvertently aid and abet the loss of Saab DNA. Says who? What makes a real Saab a real Saab? Why is a current Saab a lesser Saab than a 1980 Saab? Drive any modern <insert brand> and it's very different from something in the 1970s. Modern stuff with a Saab badge is a modern interpretation of what you may consider to be a proper Saab. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >> But they are not being introduced to real Saabs, only to the ghost of >> the "brand". Long time GM customers are used to a diet of multi >> hued sh.t and would only expect more of the same, so they will >> inadvertently aid and abet the loss of Saab DNA. > Says who? What makes a real Saab a real Saab? Why is a current Saab > a lesser Saab than a 1980 Saab? > > Drive any modern <insert brand> and it's very different from something > in the 1970s. Modern stuff with a Saab badge is a modern > interpretation of what you may consider to be a proper Saab. See also: Wolseley/MG/Riley c. 1965...? > >> But they are not being introduced to real Saabs, only to the ghost of > >> the "brand". Long time GM customers are used to a diet of multi [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > See also: Wolseley/MG/Riley c. 1965...? It was their death knell. Well... MG escaped after a fashion but only because there were genuinely unique MG models. Graham >> >> But they are not being introduced to real Saabs, only to the ghost of >> >> the "brand". Long time GM customers are used to a diet of multi [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > because > there were genuinely unique MG models. People still want the MG ZR, ZS, ZT derived from the Rover 25, 45, 75. More so the ZR. It isn't a unique product, merely something that is perceived as being "British" and "sporty." Just like Saab. It's perceived as being "Swedish" and "comfortable." SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > People still want the MG ZR, ZS, ZT derived from the Rover 25, 45, 75. > More so the ZR. It isn't a unique product, merely something that is factory-chavved. Saves dealing with the muppets at Halfords, I s'pose. >> People still want the MG ZR, ZS, ZT derived from the Rover 25, 45, 75. >> More so the ZR. It isn't a unique product, merely something that is > > factory-chavved. Saves dealing with the muppets at Halfords, I s'pose. Correct. Regardless of taste, people still want it. Somebody at the office chopped in their Audi S3 for a ZR 2.0 diesel. "Oh I bought the S3 back in May but it's been too expensive to run, my ZR is as quick* but British** and cheaper to run." *coughing fit. **hacking up and coughing fit. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > >> People still want the MG ZR, ZS, ZT derived from the Rover 25, 45, 75. > >> More so the ZR. It isn't a unique product, merely something that is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > **hacking up and coughing fit. The MG Z cars was a bold move. It worked for a while, but time went on and there were no replacements on the horizon, while their competitors had undergone several transformations. That was in particular a problem for ZR and ZS. The cars looked more and more like Halfords tarted up bangers. >>>On the other hand, there are many people being introduced to Saab >>>*because* [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the 1970s. Modern stuff with a Saab badge is a modern interpretation of > what you may consider to be a proper Saab. Sorry, but that's just Tommy Rot. It's not an interpretation, it's a Vauxhall with a blue badge. (I like Vauxhalls BTW!) Real Saabs died with the 9000, the last Saab with any true Saab bloodline. That said, the 9-3 is an excellent motorcar, and the most reliable car (of any brand) we've ever owned was a NG 900s. This newsgroup died when the likes of Saab Druids such as Grunf disappeared, and Dave Hinz isn't here anymore to point and laugh at when he gets all uptight about top posting and netiquette... Al (awaiting the flame fest!) > Real Saabs died with the 9000, the last Saab with any true Saab > bloodline. The Alfa 164/Fiat Croma/Lancia Thema, y'mean? <grin> I s'pose that had a hint of Saab heritage - after all, there was the Saab 600/Lancia Delta... > > Real Saabs died with the 9000, the last Saab with any true Saab > > bloodline. > > The Alfa 164/Fiat Croma/Lancia Thema, y'mean? <grin> It didn't look like any of those did it ? Nor did it share engines or running gear or interiors. It was after all only a shared bodyshell and the later CS model radically changed that (for the better) anyway. Graham > > Real Saabs died with the 9000, the last Saab with any true Saab > > bloodline. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I s'pose that had a hint of Saab heritage - after all, there was the Saab > 600/Lancia Delta... The 9000 was a more integrated design than the 900, which was after all a cheap editing job on the 99. As I have posted many times, the 9000 couldn't be more different from the Italian sisters; I have owned a Croma CHT (1150Kg) and now drive a solid 9000 CSE (1400 Kg). The cars have little in common apart from some basic dimensions. There is some usenet folklore going round that parts are interchangeable, but that is complete bollocks. It is quite amazing that the weight of the Croma now matches the weight of a modern super-mini car. It did make the Croma quite a nippy car to drive, but the doors felt tinny. > The 9000 was a more integrated design than the 900, which was after > all a cheap editing job on the 99. Indeed. You forget to mention the Triumph engine, though. >> The 9000 was a more integrated design than the 900, which was after >> all a cheap editing job on the 99. > Indeed. You forget to mention the Triumph engine, though. It was a Ricardo designed engine. SignatureRichard Sutherland-Smith 19 Webb Road, Wanganui 4500, NZ >> The 9000 was a more integrated design than the 900, which was after >> all a cheap editing job on the 99. >Indeed. You forget to mention the Triumph engine, though. Only until the 'B' engine was replaced by the 'H' engine. Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide! Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc. >>> The 9000 was a more integrated design than the 900, which was after >>> all a cheap editing job on the 99. >>Indeed. You forget to mention the Triumph engine, though. > Only until the 'B' engine was replaced by the 'H' engine. > Craig. The B20 engine was pure SAAB! The 1854cc was Ricardo for Triumph and Saab, the 1709cc was just Saab. SignatureRichard Sutherland-Smith 19 Webb Road, Wanganui 4500, NZ >>> Real Saabs died with the 9000, the last Saab with any true Saab >>> bloodline. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> I s'pose that had a hint of Saab heritage - after all, there was the Saab >> 600/Lancia Delta... > The 9000 was a more integrated design than the 900, which was after all > a cheap editing job on the 99. > As I have posted many times, the 9000 couldn't be more different > from the Italian sisters; I have owned a Croma CHT (1150Kg) and now > drive a solid 9000 CSE (1400 Kg). The cars have little in common > apart from some basic dimensions. There is some usenet folklore going > round that parts are interchangeable, but that is complete bollocks. Like doors and front suspension:-) SignatureRichard Sutherland-Smith 19 Webb Road, Wanganui 4500, NZ > >>> Real Saabs died with the 9000, the last Saab with any true Saab > >>> bloodline. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Like doors and front suspension:-) Nope Sir. The doors might look the same shape from the outside, but the structure and locking mechanism of doors are very different. The Saab doors have much more substantial side protection and are a lot heavier. The Electric window/ door locking are also different and much more durable on the Saab 9000. Both these mechanisms still works perfectly on my 1993 9000, but packed up on the Croma after a few years. The sound of the door locking mechanism is also different, a sharp decisive clonk on the 9000, a more woolly sound on the Croma. I don't know about the front suspension, other than they both use a traditional McPherson for the transverse engine layout. Nothing wrong with the Croma front suspension anyway, it was quite a nimble car. >>>>On the other hand, there are many people being introduced to Saab >>>>*because* [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Sorry, but that's just Tommy Rot. It's not an interpretation, it's a > Vauxhall with a blue badge. (I like Vauxhalls BTW!) Aie but who designed it? > Real Saabs died with the 9000, the last Saab with any true Saab bloodline. > > That said, the 9-3 is an excellent motorcar, and the most reliable car (of > any brand) we've ever owned was a NG 900s. My heart wanted a classic Saab 900 Turbo with air conditioning. My budget said 9-3. My head said Mondeo TDCi. In the end I bought the diesel 9-3, knowing its faults* but also its strengths. It has the understeery Saab-esque handling, it has those seats and that interior, but it also has a Japanese engine and GM running gear. > This newsgroup died when the likes of Saab Druids such as Grunf > disappeared, and Dave Hinz isn't here anymore to point and laugh at when > he gets all uptight about top posting and netiquette... Heh, I can believe that. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > My heart wanted a classic Saab 900 Turbo with air conditioning. > > My budget said 9-3. My budget agreed with my heart. Which is why I'm driving a C900 T16 with aircon. > My head said Mondeo TDCi. Your head needs help. >> My heart wanted a classic Saab 900 Turbo with air conditioning. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Your head needs help. Why? Massive depreciation from new, cheap to service, insure and fuel, decent seats (with the right specification), an excellent tow car and you can park it anywhere. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > >> My heart wanted a classic Saab 900 Turbo with air conditioning. > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > decent seats (with the right specification), an excellent tow car and you > can park it anywhere. It's a good car on paper. Only problem I have is that there are three of them in my Close, all same silver colour... >> >> My heart wanted a classic Saab 900 Turbo with air conditioning. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > It's a good car on paper. Only problem I have is that there are three of > them in my Close, all same silver colour... On the one hand that's great. On the other that's not so great. Either way, I didn't get a Mondeo. That's partially because the TDCi is expensive, partially because I was fussy over specification and partially because the Saab was a nice pretty blue colour. It is expensive - very - to service. But I do like it. Pity Charlie doesn't. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com >>>>>On the other hand, there are many people being introduced to Saab >>>>>*because* [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> Sorry, but that's just Tommy Rot. It's not an interpretation, it's a >> Vauxhall with a blue badge. (I like Vauxhalls BTW!) > Aie but who designed it? >> Real Saabs died with the 9000, the last Saab with any true Saab bloodline. >> >> That said, the 9-3 is an excellent motorcar, and the most reliable car (of >> any brand) we've ever owned was a NG 900s. > My heart wanted a classic Saab 900 Turbo with air conditioning. > My budget said 9-3. My head said Mondeo TDCi. > In the end I bought the diesel 9-3, knowing its faults* but also its > strengths. It has the understeery Saab-esque handling, it has those seats > and that interior, but it also has a Japanese engine and GM running gear. The old 9-3 had a GM diesel 2.2L, the new one has the Alfa derived 1.9L. They have a Jap auto gearbox? SignatureRichard Sutherland-Smith 19 Webb Road, Wanganui 4500, NZ >>>>>>On the other hand, there are many people being introduced to Saab >>>>>>*because* [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > The old 9-3 had a GM diesel 2.2L, the new one has the Alfa derived > 1.9L. They have a Jap auto gearbox? It's an Isuzu-designed unit. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > >>>>>>On the other hand, there are many people being introduced to Saab > >>>>>>*because* [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > It's an Isuzu-designed unit. But bear in mind that FIAT originally pioneered the common rail diesel injection system, so the Alfa derived 1.9 turbo diesels engines aren't bad for a rep-mobile. Also found in Vauxhall/Opel cars. >> >>>>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:21:14 +0100, "DervMan" >> >>>>> <thedervman@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > injection system, so the Alfa derived 1.9 turbo diesels engines aren't > bad for a rep-mobile. Also found in Vauxhall/Opel cars. It's a fantastic engine - when it works. Unfortunately, it isn't the most reliable donk around, by any stretch. In some applications it even makes the VAG TDI technology seem quiet and smooth, too. :) SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > >> >>>>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:21:14 +0100, "DervMan" > >> >>>>> <thedervman@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > reliable donk around, by any stretch. In some applications it even makes > the VAG TDI technology seem quiet and smooth, too. :) Now the Saab 1.9 diesel gets turbox2 @ 180bhp. Everything these days is x2, like the dual core processors. > But bear in mind that FIAT originally pioneered the common rail diesel > injection system Well, not quite. Bosch did. Fiat & M-B were just the first to use 'em. >In the end I bought the diesel 9-3, knowing its faults* but also its >strengths. It has the understeery Saab-esque handling, it has those seats >and that interior, but it also has a Japanese engine and GM running gear. Probably a by-product of GM 'raping' Subaru's technology. Nothing against Subaru of course - their products are top-notch for what they are. Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide! Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc. >>In the end I bought the diesel 9-3, knowing its faults* but also its >>strengths. It has the understeery Saab-esque handling, it has those seats >>and that interior, but it also has a Japanese engine and GM running gear. > > Probably a by-product of GM 'raping' Subaru's technology. Nothing against > Subaru of course - their products are top-notch for what they are. Maybe. Whilst the Isuzu engines are not especially well liked, this is in my opinion more to do with how biased the press are towards VAG than the Isuzu donks themselves. My 2.2 is much sweeter to rev than the current multivalve 2.0 TDI 140 engine *and* delivers more under ~2,300 rpm or so. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > This newsgroup died when the likes of Saab Druids such as Grunf disappeared, Grunf bought a BMW. > and Dave Hinz isn't here anymore to point and laugh at when he gets all > uptight about top posting and netiquette... Yeah, where the heck is Dave... Signature-Fred W >> This newsgroup died when the likes of Saab Druids such as Grunf >> disappeared, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yeah, where the heck is Dave... Counting his guns and liberty dollars I guess....I don't miss him, then again I don't see him as I took his advice and kill filed him. Then again, he kill filed most of us, so he's probably thinks this group died years ago! Al (Fred, I also count you as a Druid, glad you're still here! ) >>>This newsgroup died when the likes of Saab Druids such as Grunf >>>disappeared, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Al > (Fred, I also count you as a Druid, glad you're still here! ) Ummm... thanks (I guess) ;-) Signature-Fred W >>>>This newsgroup died when the likes of Saab Druids such as Grunf >>>>disappeared, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Ummm... thanks (I guess) ;-) You're welcome. Al You mean top-posting like this? 8-) >This newsgroup died when the likes of Saab Druids such as Grunf disappeared, >and Dave Hinz isn't here anymore to point and laugh at when he gets all >uptight about top posting and netiquette... >Al >(awaiting the flame fest!) Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide! Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc. Whoa!!!! Dave would've had your left gonad for that!!!! (Stupid redneck coin collector!) C'mon Dave I know you're listenin.... AL > You mean top-posting like this? 8-) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Craig. >>>On the other hand, there are many people being introduced to Saab >>>*because* [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Says who? What makes a real Saab a real Saab? Why is a current Saab a >lesser Saab than a 1980 Saab? In two words - badge engineering. >Drive any modern <insert brand> and it's very different from something in >the 1970s. Modern stuff with a Saab badge is a modern interpretation of >what you may consider to be a proper Saab. Well, maybe if you are talking American autos, then a 70's car will feel a lot different from a newer car - heck the Americans still had rear leaf spring rear suspensions, inadequate brakes and shitful handling. Yet a Saab 99 from the 70's in good mechanical condition will drive with a 'modern' feel - funny about that. Modern stuff with a Saab badge is NOT a modern interpretation of what may be considered to be a proper Saab. How can a Subaru with a Saab badge be considered to embody the Saab values? What sense is there in having a Cadillac SUV with a Saab badge? Here is a very perceptive article which clearly shows the problem facing the marque http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_3005/article.html I would guess that at some time in the not so distant future GM will sell off the brand - probably to an Indian or Chinese auto maker. This is what is happening now with Jaguar (Ford are rumoured to have an Indian buyer for Jag). >Well, maybe if you are talking American autos, then a 70's car will >feel a lot different from a newer car - heck the Americans still had >rear leaf spring rear suspensions, inadequate brakes and shitful >handling. Yeah, American cars no longer have rear leaf suspension. Other than that... >>... and shitful handling. > >Yeah, American cars no longer have rear leaf suspension. Other than >that... The shitful handling still comes standard??? ;-)) >>>... and shitful handling. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >The shitful handling still comes standard??? >;-)) and the lame brakes :-) I have to acknowledge that I haven't driven all that many later American cars, but the ones I have driven have never failed to leave me disappointed or reenforce my belief that I still want to drive foreign (non-American) cars. The problem is that American cars are still designed for the "average American" and the average American doesn't understand engine, suspension, or brake performance and accepts sub standard components and design with a smile. [snip] > I have to acknowledge that I haven't driven all that many later > American cars, but the ones I have driven have never failed to leave [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > doesn't understand engine, suspension, or brake performance and > accepts sub standard components and design with a smile. I think it is worse than that. I firmly believe that GM in particular designs their North American cars with car rental agencies as their target market. The rest, mistakenly bought by everyone else, is just a bonus to their sales figures. On the other hand, the last European GM product I drove - a new 2002 Opel Vectra rental car - seemed designed for the target market of the junk pile, proving that GM knows how to sell junk across most parts of the globe. (in my humble opinion) BTW, a survey indicated that 80% of the US drivers responded that they can't/won't drive a manual transmission. In my opinion, that means only 20% of the US drivers actually know how to drive. That also explains why there are only about 5 GM models that offer manual transmission in the US. ffflick <ffflick@f.f> Aug 25, 2007 at 12:33 PM >Just wondering....was quite active and informative a year or >so ago.... Oh bugger! Is it dead? Why didn't one of the mortuary attendants tell us so we knew to stop feeding it and allowing it the admirable deception of ongoing rude health? Oh, are *you* a mortuary attendant, or just the Flick man? :) GUI's suck - CLI and text rock's - long live NG's :) On 25/8/07 15:45, in article 0e69f30b0868b608b7b540fa131dcbef@localhost.talkaboutautos.com, "hippo" <johnh@chopthis.shoal.net.au> wrote: > ffflick <ffflick@f.f> Aug 25, 2007 at 12:33 PM > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ongoing rude health? Oh, are *you* a mortuary attendant, or just the Flick > man? :) > Just wondering....was quite active and informative a year or > so ago.... It's not dead. Nope. Quite lively. Do you have a question about SAABs or do you just want to stir up some debate? Signature-Fred W > Just wondering....was quite active and informative a year or > so ago.... Personally, I find forums a lot more useful ... people actually post informative replies and genuinely want to help with problem. That, and a general chatty feel. Usenet seems sooooooo bogged down with keeping on topic, signal/noise ratio, blah blah blah ... so much so that the original post is somewhat lost by the third or fourth reply. I still use a.a.s. when researching something, but if I want to ask a question that I do want an answer to, I use http://www.saabcentral.com/ as an international forum, http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/ as my national forum and http://www.900aero.com/ for something APC/performance related. I frequent other forums for other reasons, but will rarely post anything on a.a.s. nowadays - no point in my opinion. That said, others may have a reason and point to post here, so I do continue to read this newsgroup and contribute where I feel I can be pertinent and useful. Shame, really, we had a reasonable "community" here not so long back. It might well come back ... the internet does swing back and forth ... |
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