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Car Forum / Saab Cars / December 20071991 Saab 900 heated seat
Is it a big expensive deal to have the driver's seat heat repaired - has not worked in several years. Greta "Greta" <sarek-gmc@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > Is it a big expensive deal to have the driver's seat heat repaired - has > not worked in several years. > Greta That depends on your intelligence. If you're not, it will be an expensive deal Matt, Your reply didn't help this old lady who does not work on her own car. I thought I was intelligent enough to expect a comprehensive reply from this group - maybe you're correct after all! Best wishes Greta > Matt, Your reply didn't help this old lady who does not work on her own car. > I thought I was intelligent enough to expect a comprehensive reply from this > group - maybe you're correct after all! I don't think a single rude response is indicative of the group as a whole. As to your answer, as with so many other things, it depends. Could be as simple as the pressure switch which tells the system there's someone in the seat (if your car has one), or the thermostat, or could be that the elements are just shot. What details can you give us? Stop working all at once I assume? Any other strangeness in your seat? (sitting lower than normal for instance, like the suspension of the seat has dropped out?) Does the other front seat's heat work if equipped? Checked fuses yet? Lots of questions, which bring us back to "it depends" so far. Dave Hinz You are quite correct - I should not have judged the group on the basis of one response. Actually the group has helped me before and I was just taken aback this time. Only the drivers seat is equipped and a switch has to be used - no sensor. Everything else with the seat is fine. It happened suddenly. If the elements are shot, given the age of the car, would you guess that it would be a high labor cost for a garage to repair? Greta Greta ("Greta" <sarek-gmc@worldnet.att.net>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Only the drivers seat is equipped and a switch has to be used - no > sensor. Everything else with the seat is fine. It happened suddenly. If > the elements are shot, given the age of the car, would you guess that it > would be a high labor cost for a garage to repair? Probably an hour or two at the least. Seriously - get a multimeter (not exactly expensive) and get stuck in there. Just think of the sense of satisfaction as you settle back into the toasty warm seat and think "I fixed it myself!" You're an old lady (this time) because you have no clue how to ask for help other than disguising yourself as a woman. Old ladies don't work on their cars let alone participate in these news groups. > Matt, Your reply didn't help this old lady who does not work on her own > car. I thought I was intelligent enough to expect a comprehensive reply > from this group - maybe you're correct after all! > Best wishes > Greta Look, Matt, life is too short to be as angry as you are. I am 77 years old and definitely a woman and a widow at that. I have always loved cars even though I do not have mechanical abilities and above all I love my Saab. Best wishes. Greta > Look, Matt, life is too short to be as angry as you are. I am 77 years old > and definitely a woman and a widow at that. I have always loved cars even > though I do not have mechanical abilities and above all I love my Saab. > Best wishes. Well spoken. So any thoughts about the multimeter? Pretty sure parts for that new of a car will still be available. Are you comfortable around upholstery tools? For this, pretty basic stuff, you could even just snip the hog rings & replace 'em with zip ties, far as that goes. Off with the fabric, out with the damaged electric blanket, in with a new one, back with the fabric, done. That's most likely. You might want to consider a suspension kit for the seat while you've got the skin off the thing. Dave > You're an old lady (this time) because you have no clue how to ask for help > other than disguising yourself as a woman. Old ladies don't work on their > cars let alone participate in these news groups. And yet, between her and you, one is not worth reading, and the other isn't. Guess which is which. Hint: <plonk> Greta ("Greta" <sarek-gmc@worldnet.att.net>) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Is it a big expensive deal to have the driver's seat heat repaired - has > not worked in several years. Well, I didn't reply at the time, thinking somebody with more experience may do so - but in the absence of that, here we go... There's two types, AFAIK. One with an external thumbwheel to regulate the heat, one without. That latter has a thermostatic switch in the seat. First off, out with the multimeter and check you're getting a live feed to the connector under the seat. If you've got the thumbwheel, check that the voltage varies according to the setting of that. If you've got the auto 'static seat, you should have +12v all the time the ignition is on. Make sure the earth is good. If you've got the thermostat, check that's playing. Ice and a hairdryer should be helpful to "persuade" it on and off. If you've got power and earth, check for continuity (bear in mind it should be a fairly high resistance) across the two pins on the seat connector - no continuity means the heating grid is broken, and it's time to strip the seat cover off. >Is it a big expensive deal to have the driver's seat heat repaired - has not >worked in several years. Do you really need them to work? Guess it depends where in the world you're located. Regards, Craig.  SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide! Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc. >>Is it a big expensive deal to have the driver's seat heat repaired - has not >>worked in several years. > > Do you really need them to work? Guess it depends where in the world you're > located. Sheesh. She's asking how big a deal it is, and gets two people being astonishingly unhelpful. Why not just, you know, not answer? I'm remembering now why I took a break from the group. >>>Is it a big expensive deal to have the driver's seat heat repaired - has not >>>worked in several years. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I'm remembering now why I took a break from the group. Steady. Isn't this what usenet is always like? There's nearly always more noise than signal, but does it really matter? The good answers are easy to spot and I doubt the posters of irrelevant ones are holding back nuggets of information that might actually have helped. Take this post for instance. Sure it's irrelevant to the OP, but then, since I don't know the answer to her question, my alternative was not to post at-all. Whatever problems this group has, you certainly can't count too much traffic as one of them. Cheers, Colin. >>Sheesh. She's asking how big a deal it is, and gets two people being >>astonishingly unhelpful. Why not just, you know, not answer? >>I'm remembering now why I took a break from the group. > Steady. Isn't this what usenet is always like? There's nearly always > more noise than signal, but does it really matter? I guess it depends on if the people making a.ses of themselves are just talking to hear themselves talk, or are trying to discourage newbies from sticking around. You and I know how Usenet works, but if someone new or new-ish shows up, we don't know their background or history, or if this will be their first experience with this, or what. Chasing them away by being rude is hardly a way to build activity and is hard to see as anything but negative. > Whatever problems this group has, you certainly can't count too much > traffic as one of them. Rude responses to people with legitimate questions certainly aren't going to help _that_. >>>Sheesh. She's asking how big a deal it is, and gets two people being >>>astonishingly unhelpful. Why not just, you know, not answer? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Rude responses to people with legitimate questions certainly aren't >going to help _that_. Indeed. But I don't see how Craig's response could be seen as particularly rude or hostile. It was certainly irrelevant and unhelpful to the OP, but there's nothing wrong with that in itself. Loads of entertaining debates have been started that way. Cheers, Colin. >>>Is it a big expensive deal to have the driver's seat heat repaired - has not >>>worked in several years. >> >> Do you really need them to work? Guess it depends where in the world you're >> located. >Sheesh. She's asking how big a deal it is, and gets two people being >astonishingly unhelpful. Why not just, you know, not answer? >I'm remembering now why I took a break from the group. Whoa there Dave! I'm in Australia remember and seat heaters here tend to be gross overkill, hence my question of whether the original poster really needs them to work, since if not, disabling them rather than fixing them can be a more sensible approach. If you think that my advice to the original poster is 'unhelpful', care to define how? If I lived in Northern Europe or somewhere in the USA or Canada that gets blizzard conditions in winter, perhaps I might not be asking whether the original poster needs to have them working. But I'm not, so I ask based on my own perspective and go forward from there. Lets not start taking backward steps by criticising other people's honest advice and questions... That's what Mr S. Patterson of TSN.con does. 8-) Regards, Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide! Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc. >>Sheesh. She's asking how big a deal it is, and gets two people being >>astonishingly unhelpful. Why not just, you know, not answer? >>I'm remembering now why I took a break from the group. > Whoa there Dave! I'm in Australia remember and seat heaters here tend to be > gross overkill, hence my question of whether the original poster really > needs them to work, since if not, disabling them rather than fixing them can > be a more sensible approach. And yet, if she's asking the question, why would you presume to second-guess her reasons for doing so? > If you think that my advice to the original poster is 'unhelpful', care to > define how? Useless at best, I think, is a good way to categorize it. It seemed to me that you were saying to her, "Oh well,it's broken, why would you want to fix it?" She asked how involved fixing it is, not if some person living in a different part of the world thought it was important enough to deal with. > If I lived in Northern Europe or somewhere in the USA or Canada > that gets blizzard conditions in winter, perhaps I might not be asking > whether the original poster needs to have them working. But I'm not, so I > ask based on my own perspective and go forward from there. And yet, she did ask how involved it was, and you injected your regional judgement into it when that wasn't asked for. See previous re: "useless at best". > Lets not start taking backward steps by criticising other people's honest > advice and questions... That's what Mr S. Patterson of TSN.con does. 8-) Save your preaching. Your response was not useful or a positive way to respond to someone asking the group for help. Pretending that the TSN guy has anything to do with it smacks of "he started it!". Dunno what I've done to upset you Dave. You've flown off the handle over something which is a minor issue. I've dealt with seat heaters in my classic 900 which were a lot earlier than the 1991 build year car owned by the original poster. Don't expect everyone reading/posting in this newsgroup on Saab-related topics to know precisely what part of the world each post's author is located (which more or less indicates whether a particular feature is likely to be beneficial or not based on climate, etc.). Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide! Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc. > Dunno what I've done to upset you Dave. You've flown off the handle over > something which is a minor issue. This isn't "flying off the handle", it's telling you, that your answer was useless at best and would have been more positive to have not sent anything. > I've dealt with seat heaters in my classic 900 which were a lot earlier than > the 1991 build year car owned by the original poster. Not relevant. She was asking if it was a big deal, not if some guy in a different climate thought she should bother with it. > Don't expect everyone reading/posting in this newsgroup on Saab-related > topics to know precisely what part of the world each post's author is > located (which more or less indicates whether a particular feature is likely > to be beneficial or not based on climate, etc.). Just a thought, but if someone is asking how to do (thing), nevermind. Enjoy your group. >>Dunno what I've done to upset you Dave. You've flown off the handle over >>something which is a minor issue. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > nevermind. Enjoy your group. I doubt you'll read this, Dave, but I haven't been participating much here anymore either. It has turned into a circle jerk group for the ne'r do wells. I guess the "useful" part of usenet is long over. The only way to get any kind of meaningful dialog these days is in forums with admins that will diligently weed out the trash. Ta-ta Signature-Fred W >>>Dunno what I've done to upset you Dave. You've flown off the handle over >>>something which is a minor issue. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> nevermind. Enjoy your group. >I doubt you'll read this, Dave, but I haven't been participating much >here anymore either. It has turned into a circle jerk group for the >ne'r do wells. >I guess the "useful" part of usenet is long over. The only way to get >any kind of meaningful dialog these days is in forums with admins that >will diligently weed out the trash. That discounts TSN then. 8-) But it's a good point. I admin the forums at my own Saab website and know what it's like both from the user point of view and from the admin point of view. At least I've got all the spam/fake registrations stopped and now the only people who register are legitimately interested. Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide! Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc. >>I guess the "useful" part of usenet is long over. The only way to get >>any kind of meaningful dialog these days is in forums with admins that >>will diligently weed out the trash. > >That discounts TSN then. 8-) LOL. >But it's a good point. I admin the forums at my >own Saab website and know what it's like both from the user point of view >and from the admin point of view. At least I've got all the spam/fake >registrations stopped and now the only people who register are legitimately >interested. Actually, this group is fairly tame. Aside from Dave perpetually getting pissed off at someone and plonking them, there don't seem to be a whole lot of aggravated folks sticking around. But, let's face it - few folks even know about newsgroups. Web forums are easy for them to find. So, the newbies gravitate there, there guys with experience go and answer questions, sooner or later there's a lot more traffic there. I reckon Dave only goes on Newsgroups so he can get angry with people. I was plonked by Dave a couple of years back for a minor breach of netiquette, what a geezer! Google Dave's name under google groups and he's there, telling people off in every group he frequents. Oh, sorry about the top post, I wouldn't normally do it, but just in case Dave took me off his PLONK list...I wanted to give him a reason. Al >>>I guess the "useful" part of usenet is long over. The only way to get >>>any kind of meaningful dialog these days is in forums with admins that [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > with experience go and answer questions, sooner or later there's a lot > more traffic there. >I reckon Dave only goes on Newsgroups so he can get angry with people. I >was plonked by Dave a couple of years back for a minor breach of netiquette, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Al He, he, he... google: "Results 1 - 100 of 299 for plonk author:Dave author:Hinz" >I reckon Dave only goes on Newsgroups so he can get angry with people. I >was plonked by Dave a couple of years back for a minor breach of netiquette, >what a geezer! >Google Dave's name under google groups and he's there, telling people off in >every group he frequents. Yeah well here in Oz we have quite a few 'regular' plonkers in aus.* groups. There isn't an aus.* group for Saab's but we do have an aus.cars group that's full of trolls and people who think the only cars on the road are Ford, Holden (aka GMH) and Toyota. 8-) Saab only seems to get a mention when I talk about the brand, or when someone tries to compare Hummers with Saab's now that Holden dealers who sell Saab's (and the actual Saab dealers) are now being forced by GM to stock Hummer as well. sigh >Oh, sorry about the top post, I wouldn't normally do it, but just in case >Dave took me off his PLONK list...I wanted to give him a reason. *plonk* 8-) Consider it an early Christmas pressie. Craig. SignatureCraig's Saab C900 Page at | Craig's Classic Saab Workshop - Sydney .au http://lios.apana.org.au/~c900 | http://www.classicsaab.net and other URL's Email: c900@lios.apana.org.au | For Saab 99/C900/9000 Enthusiasts World-Wide! Alternate: saabonaut@gmail.com | Web-forums, galleries, library, links, etc. > *plonk* 8-) Consider it an early Christmas pressie. > > Craig. Cheers Craig!! Nothing like a bit of Plonk at Christmas ;-) Al > On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:12:45 +0000 (UTC), Saab C900 Viggenist > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > with experience go and answer questions, sooner or later there's a lot > more traffic there. This does lead us to an interesting (off-topic, of course) point. A good number of people here also post on forums and I know who they are on forums. I know I can get answers to things I post about on forums, so what's left for Usenet? Why should we still post here? What can we say here that we could not point to a forum board and say, "hey ... look over here"? Discuss ... or flame ... or plonk ... discussion would be best :) New thread, perhaps? The message from Fred W <malt_hound@yahoo.com> contains these words: > >>Dunno what I've done to upset you Dave. You've flown off the handle > >>over something which is a minor issue. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Just a thought, but if someone is asking how to do (thing), > > nevermind. Enjoy your group. > I doubt you'll read this, Dave, but I haven't been participating much > here anymore either. It has turned into a circle jerk group for the > ne'r do wells. > I guess the "useful" part of usenet is long over. The only way to get > any kind of meaningful dialog these days is in forums with admins that > will diligently weed out the trash. Much as you are obviously enjoying this exchange, it doesn't in any way help the person who has a problem with the (un)heated seats. I was hoping for some helpful replies, since my daughter has the same problem with her Saab 900. It was obviously too much to hope for... SignatureAnneJ Only as high as I reach can I grow, Only as far as I seek can I go, Only as deep as I look can I see, Only as much as I dream can I be. ~Karen Ravn > The message from Fred W <malt_hound@yahoo.com> contains these words: >> > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > hoping for some helpful replies, since my daughter has the same problem > with her Saab 900. It was obviously too much to hope for... It's called topic creep, or going off on a tangent. It's not a usenet thing, next time you're chatting with anyone, mentally note what topic you start on and then see where you are 20 minutes later. Try not to be so irascible, people tend to ignore others who get bad tempered, funnily enough that advice applies to real life also. Al >Much as you are obviously enjoying this exchange, it doesn't in any way >help the person who has a problem with the (un)heated seats. I was >hoping for some helpful replies, since my daughter has the same problem >with her Saab 900. It was obviously too much to hope for... I don't understand. There are several helpful replies on this thread. They arrived within a few hours of the original post. There would have been more, but the OP didn't want to take it any further. It seems that she got all the information she wanted, so people stopped supplying it. All of these extra irrelevant replies, including yours and mine, are a bonus. No-one knew you were there and wanted more. If you wanted the discussion on the original post to go into greater depth, then you should have made that known. Otherwise, you have no cause to whinge. Cheers, Colin. > And yet, if she's asking the question, why would you presume to > second-guess her reasons for doing so? She is a "he", dork. Mebets you already had a woody, didn't you? ;) >Save your preaching. Your response was not useful or a positive way to >respond to someone asking the group for help. Pretending that the TSN >guy has anything to do with it smacks of "he started it!". Oh,oh, Dave's back and already I smell another Dave-plonking! >>>Is it a big expensive deal to have the driver's seat heat repaired - has >>>not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I'm remembering now why I took a break from the group. No you don't remember cause if you had, you would have still been on break
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