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Car Forum / Saab Cars / February 2008Can I have UK opinions on this 9-5 please.
http://smallr.com/2pk Yes it is an auto, and I've never had a modern Saab before, only 900s. But the Celsior Auto is getting too expensive to run and potentially too scary to repair if anything goes pear shaped. So while I would have prefered a manual, at least I'm used to driving an auto now.  SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com > http://smallr.com/2pk > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > So while I would have prefered a manual, at least I'm used to driving an > auto now. Hi, You heard about the oil sludge, right? If not search "saab oil sludge". No mileage, no number of owners, 1600 sounds like a lot of money ... I would just keep walking but there again that is me. Regards Charles SignaturePlease remove _removeme_ to reply. > No mileage, no number of owners, 1600 sounds like a lot of money ... I > would just keep walking but there again that is me. Guestimating at 110,000 in wisebuyers.co.uk, they reckon £3600 for a 1999/2000 V plated care. Haven't seen it other than through the fence at the car sales place, will need to ask about history etc, and yes I had heard about the sludging issue. Just didn't know how common it was in the UK, compared to the US. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com >> http://smallr.com/2pk >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Regards >Charles OK, been and had a look and got some more details. paint is more scuffed and stone chipped than I noticed last time but still shiny and no rust coming through anywhere. Looking under the bonnet, it has modifications B5, C1, and C4 on the passenger side inner wing. What do these codes mean? PS fluid looked a little low, but brake fluid and coolant levels looked good and clean. Oil was a light brown/caramel colour. First 9 service stamps are complete upto 106k, mostly Squire Fernaux and an indy in Bedford. Current mileage 134 on the dash. Only one PSV hose I can see, seem squeezeable but not soggy. But it looks like the cam cover had been repaired with a beige paste where the PSV hose mounts to it. SID is missing a fair few pixels, but still enough there to read most of the messages. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com Now Playing at home:Frank the Baptist-beg steal and borrow http://www.myspace.com/theelderuk >>> Yes it is an auto, and I've never had a modern Saab before, only 900s. >>> But the Celsior Auto is getting too expensive to run and potentially too >>> scary to repair if anything goes pear shaped. >>> >>> So while I would have prefered a manual, at least I'm used to driving an >>> auto now. Looks like a pretty decent car to me... Oops, uh ooh sheit, I'm not in the UK.... However I wouldn't worry about a 9-5 auto, I got one last september (after a '95 9000 non turbo manual) and I'm loving it. I'm in ths alps on holliday right now, and the Auto with 2.0t runs fabulously in the mountains. > Looks like a pretty decent car to me... Oops, uh ooh sheit, I'm not in > the UK.... However I wouldn't worry about a 9-5 auto, I got one last > september (after a '95 9000 non turbo manual) and I'm loving it. I'm > in ths alps on holliday right now, and the Auto with 2.0t runs > fabulously in the mountains. What is it like on fuel, and how is the service history on yours? I am worried about the blue smoke at startup, and the potential issue of sludging even though the oil is a nice toffee colour. Maybe I should stick with my first thoughts and find a nice 9-3/9-5 diesel instead. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com >What is it like on fuel, and how is the service history on yours? >I am worried about the blue smoke at startup, and the potential issue of >sludging even though the oil is a nice toffee colour. > >Maybe I should stick with my first thoughts and find a nice 9-3/9-5 >diesel instead. Mine is a 2003 Estate model, and runs on LPG/Autogas, and I got it with 294.000Km's on it (183.000Mi) as the third owner. Service history is perfect, the car was sold new by the dealership, and traded-in there with 60.000 miles, sold again and traded-in again by the same dealership, where I evetually got it from. All service was done at the same shop, and the head engineer personally checked all my questions. I was kind of worried at first with the hight mileage, but I got a great deal, and never regretted it so far. The high mileage is a counter indication for worries of sludge, so I learned from the reactions on my question on the SAABcentral forum. Also Sludge happens a lot less on LPG runners, because of cleaner combustion. See also the topic at http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108436 I'd be weary form blue smoke at startup, that might mean the turbo is a goner, and a blown turbo could be a omen for sludge problems later. However if the oil is nice, it might have been changed recently to trick you into believing it has no sludge issues, on the other hand it could also mean that the car is in great shape and will make many happy miles with you. Only dropping the oil sump will give you 100% certainty. I'd stay away from the early 3.0 V6 Diesels, that's for sure. You get better fuel savings with an LPG! >>What is it like on fuel, and how is the service history on yours? >>I am worried about the blue smoke at startup, and the potential issue of [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > I'd stay away from the early 3.0 V6 Diesels, that's for sure. You get > better fuel savings with an LPG! I mostly agree with the early 3.0 Isuzu TiD comment; they're known for their issues. And the 2.2 seems somehow wrong in the 9-5, and yet somehow right too. :) SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com > I mostly agree with the early 3.0 Isuzu TiD comment; they're known for their > issues. And the 2.2 seems somehow wrong in the 9-5, and yet somehow right > too. :) The 3.0 Isuzu engine had enough problems in the Trooper/Bighorn. There were more recalls for the 3.0 in about 5 years, than for both the 2.8 and 3.1 4 pot over nearly twice that time. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com > > I mostly agree with the early 3.0 Isuzu TiD comment; they're known for their > > issues. And the 2.2 seems somehow wrong in the 9-5, and yet somehow right [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > There were more recalls for the 3.0 in about 5 years, than for both the > 2.8 and 3.1 4 pot over nearly twice that time. Nvvar 'erd of the 3.1 4 pot. Sounds interesting. >> > I mostly agree with the early 3.0 Isuzu TiD comment; they're known for >> > their [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Nvvar 'erd of the 3.1 4 pot. Sounds interesting. Lumpy and interesting? :) It was used in the Trooper. 113 bhp, 192 lbsft - almost the same as the first generation 2.2 TiD in the Saab. In the Trooper and when it worked, 88 mph, 18.5 seconds to 62 and 25 mpg. SignatureThe DervMan www.dervman.com What's the mileage on the car offered? > What's the mileage on the car offered? 134 thousand, with recorded service history upto 109 thousand in the service book. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com >> What's the mileage on the car offered? >> >134 thousand, with recorded service history upto 109 thousand in the >service book. That's little over 215.000Km, the car being from 99, it's done 25.000Km per year. So no great sludge risk, to my opinion. 1600pound is about 1995 Euro, at that price it looks like a steal to me. So maybe the turbo will die in the years to come, that's a 500 pound repair. I'd go get it, make sure the oil is changed at regular intervals, if you really worry about sludge, drop and clean the oil sump just to be sure, and drive around happily ever after... > I'd go get it, make sure the oil is changed at regular intervals, if > you really worry about sludge, drop and clean the oil sump just to be > sure, and drive around happily ever after... I am tempted to see if I can get a test drive. I do wonder what B5, C1, C4 on the modifications/campaign panels refers to. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com >I do wonder what B5, C1, C4 on the modifications/campaign panels refers >to. Try the SAABcentral forum, they'll know that for sure. I put the question on the Dutch forum as well, see if I get an answer there. http://www.saabforum.nl/viewtopic.php?p=377890#377890 >I am tempted to see if I can get a test drive. That woulnd't hurt anyone, would it? A test drive will not tell you much on the sludge problem. Having a SAAB experienced mechanic look at it might tell you more. Also it seems to be possible to open the oil drain plug, (af course all the oil will come pooring out) and take a peek in the sump for sludge . A test run will however tell you in what shape the tranny is, and many more impressions on how the car was treated. LEt us know how it went.. > . A test run will however tell you in what shape the tranny is, and > many more impressions on how the car was treated. LEt us know how it > went.. If I go ahead I will do. SignatureCarl Robson Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
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