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Car Forum / Saab Cars / March 2008

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johannes - 02 Mar 2008 16:39 GMT
My 1993 9000 cse 2.0 lpt has stated not firing on all cylinders immediately
after a starting in the morning. It takes about a mile to get it going
normally. DI replaced just one month ago, spark plugs and air filter
replaced only 4 months ago. So what could be the problem?
Certainly - 02 Mar 2008 18:29 GMT
> My 1993 9000 cse 2.0 lpt has stated not firing on all cylinders immediately
> after a starting in the morning. It takes about a mile to get it going
> normally. DI replaced just one month ago, spark plugs and air filter
> replaced only 4 months ago. So what could be the problem?

Possibly leaking head gasket into one or more cylinders when the
engine cools, and metal contracts. The misfiring is the non-
combustible coolant(water) that is present in the cylinder. Check the
plugs and see if there is ceramic missing on the firing end, this is a
sure sign. Otherwise pressure test overnight with plugs out and look
in each cylinder for coolant.
Gerald
johannes - 02 Mar 2008 19:09 GMT
> > My 1993 9000 cse 2.0 lpt has stated not firing on all cylinders immediately
> > after a starting in the morning. It takes about a mile to get it going
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> in each cylinder for coolant.
> Gerald

OK, I will check next weekend. I was thinking of fuel filter or injectors,
but the car dives OK once the engine is warmed up.
Charles C. - 02 Mar 2008 22:56 GMT
>>> My 1993 9000 cse 2.0 lpt has stated not firing on all cylinders immediately
>>> after a starting in the morning. It takes about a mile to get it going
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> OK, I will check next weekend. I was thinking of fuel filter or injectors,
> but the car dives OK once the engine is warmed up.

This sounds like one of the many sensors (that I don't grasp) in
injection/catalyst cars.

My experience of head gaskets was that the car was much worse when hot.

If it helps a little
Charles

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johannes - 14 Mar 2008 20:19 GMT
> >>> My 1993 9000 cse 2.0 lpt has stated not firing on all cylinders immediately
> >>> after a starting in the morning. It takes about a mile to get it going
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I think that if it was the head gasket, the hesitation would disappear
gradually as the engine warms up and dispose the moisture. My problem
was more intermittent, the car could be ok immediately after start and
then a few returning hiccups before it had cleared. Since MOT was in the
offing, I treated the petrol tank with a course of "D-Tox" made by Comma
I have some confidence in Comma as I have used their antifreeze. The small
print on the box said it was Catalyser friendly. Anyway, I did work very
well. No more morning hesitation or flat spots. Today it passed MOT with
no prob.
PJGH - 02 Mar 2008 22:03 GMT
> My 1993 9000 cse 2.0 lpt has stated not firing on all cylinders immediately
> after a starting in the morning. It takes about a mile to get it going
> normally. DI replaced just one month ago, spark plugs and air filter
> replaced only 4 months ago. So what could be the problem?

Did you gap the plugs correctly?
Is there a pressure relief valve on the fuel pump on the 9000s? I know
on the Classic 900s, that's one of the first places to look when
encountering what feels like a fuelling problem.
Eeyore - 02 Mar 2008 22:55 GMT
> > My 1993 9000 cse 2.0 lpt has stated not firing on all cylinders immediately
> > after a starting in the morning. It takes about a mile to get it going
> > normally. DI replaced just one month ago, spark plugs and air filter
> > replaced only 4 months ago. So what could be the problem?
>
> Did you gap the plugs correctly?

The correct NGK plugs come already correctly gapped.

Graham
johannes - 03 Mar 2008 02:24 GMT
> > My 1993 9000 cse 2.0 lpt has stated not firing on all cylinders immediately
> > after a starting in the morning. It takes about a mile to get it going
> > normally. DI replaced just one month ago, spark plugs and air filter
> > replaced only 4 months ago. So what could be the problem?
>
> Did you gap the plugs correctly?

Yes, I believe they are. I always buy the pre-gapped NGK BCPR7ES-11 and
didn't experience problems before after such short time. The plugs should
last 24,000 miles. The new DI should make it work perfectly.

> Is there a pressure relief valve on the fuel pump on the 9000s? I know
> on the Classic 900s, that's one of the first places to look when
> encountering what feels like a fuelling problem.

Again, there is only symptoms when starting in the morning. The rest of the
day it's OK. But un-burnt fuel can't be too good for the CAT.

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