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Car Forum / Saab Cars / March 2008

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Looks like I'm going to pick a 9000 Aero tomorrow.

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Elder - 06 Mar 2008 14:06 GMT
A 1993 Lplate that was on Ebay. My bid went in to late and I missed it.
But I contacted the seller and explained and said if the winner backs
out I'll match it.

He is emigrating to Australia on Saturday and needs to shift it.
The winner emailed him and said "Can I back out. I've found a better 9-5
on autotrader and bought it".

The car was bought from Richard Elliot at Saabtec and he was going to
buy it back if it didn't sell. So now I need to shift my old Toyota
Celsior. Can't have two huge fuel chugging monsters.

Note to self: It is a manual, you haven't driven one for a year.
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Adrian - 06 Mar 2008 14:08 GMT
Elder (Elder <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com>) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

> Note to self: It is a manual, you haven't driven one for a year.

<graunch>
Elder - 06 Mar 2008 14:58 GMT
>Elder (Elder <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com>) gurgled happily, sounding
>much like they were saying:
>
>> Note to self: It is a manual, you haven't driven one for a year.
>
><graunch>

I'm more worried about juddering halts at busy roundabouts.
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Elder - 06 Mar 2008 15:00 GMT
>Elder (Elder <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com>) gurgled happily, sounding
>much like they were saying:
>
>> Note to self: It is a manual, you haven't driven one for a year.
>
><graunch>

This, bar the paying is my new daily toy.
http://search.ebay.co.uk/330216571674
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Adrian - 06 Mar 2008 16:05 GMT
Elder (Elder <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com>) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

> This, bar the paying is my new daily toy.
> http://search.ebay.co.uk/330216571674

Looks nice. For a Fiat.
johannes - 08 Mar 2008 15:49 GMT
> Elder (Elder <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com>) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying:
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>
> Looks nice. For a Fiat.

I doubt there will be many Fiats alive from that vintage. My 1993 CSE still
looks and drive like new.
Adrian - 09 Mar 2008 10:40 GMT
johannes (johannes <johs@size456y577fitter.com>) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>> > This, bar the paying is my new daily toy.
>> > http://search.ebay.co.uk/330216571674

>> Looks nice. For a Fiat.

> I doubt there will be many Fiats alive from that vintage.

Quite a few.

> My 1993 CSE still looks and drive like new.

See, one just there...
johannes - 09 Mar 2008 10:50 GMT
> johannes (johannes <johs@size456y577fitter.com>) gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying:
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>
> See, one just there...

From the horse's mouth: I had a Fiat Croma CHT for 10 year, not such bad car,
but not in the same league as my Saab 9000. The cars have really nothing in
common. The doors superficially look alike, but would never fit. There is a
world of difference. Both cars are 2.0L cars. Fiat Croma only 1153 Kg; like a
modern supermini! Sure it helps the performance, but the Croma felt floppy,
whereas the Saab feels 'flat' on the road whatever direction you point it at.
Eeyore - 06 Mar 2008 19:44 GMT
> toomany2cvs@gmail.com says...
> >Elder (Elder <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com>) gurgled happily, sounding
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> This, bar the paying is my new daily toy.
> http://search.ebay.co.uk/330216571674

I like that colour too. You don't see many of them.

Graham
Elder - 06 Mar 2008 20:37 GMT
>> toomany2cvs@gmail.com says...
>> >Elder (Elder <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com>) gurgled happily, sounding
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Graham

I always had a superstitious hatred of green cars.
But I just couldn't resist it.

Just hope I don't run over a black cat on the way home.
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johannes - 08 Mar 2008 15:35 GMT
> > toomany2cvs@gmail.com says...
> > >Elder (Elder <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com>) gurgled happily, sounding
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Graham

Same colour as my 9k cse, eucalyptus green. Also found on 900 from that
year, but not used by saab at later MY AFAIK. An eucalyptus is inevitably
a K or an L.
Elder - 08 Mar 2008 16:11 GMT
>Same colour as my 9k cse, eucalyptus green. Also found on 900 from that
>year, but not used by saab at later MY AFAIK. An eucalyptus is inevitably
>a K or an L.

Indeed it is.
I have a superstition about green cars, but something drew me to this
one, not just the cheap price.

Need to sort out that scabby wheel arch so it doesn't disappear in a
pile of rust, but the rest seems solid.
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johannes - 08 Mar 2008 16:32 GMT
> >Same colour as my 9k cse, eucalyptus green. Also found on 900 from that
> >year, but not used by saab at later MY AFAIK. An eucalyptus is inevitably
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> I have a superstition about green cars, but something drew me to this
> one, not just the cheap price.

It's a green colour with a zest to it. Odd that saab dropped the colour,
but then they change every MY. Only boring germanic silver remains a stable
diet.

> Need to sort out that scabby wheel arch so it doesn't disappear in a
> pile of rust, but the rest seems solid.

If it is bad, you should consider one of those mobile fixers who repair
dents and scratches. I had one to repaint a panel which had an old bad
repair job from previous owner (pre-1997!). The fixer was really good and
the difficult colour was spot on. It was mixed by computer to the exact
saab spec, he told me. E-mail me if interested and i will return the link.
Elder - 08 Mar 2008 18:47 GMT
>If it is bad, you should consider one of those mobile fixers who repair
>dents and scratches. I had one to repaint a panel which had an old bad
>repair job from previous owner (pre-1997!). The fixer was really good and
>the difficult colour was spot on. It was mixed by computer to the exact
>saab spec, he told me. E-mail me if interested and i will return the link.

I think it needs a body shop, arch trim off, new metal (one small hole
and lots of scabby rust), and repainting.
For now I'm going to Jenolite it to stop it going any further until I
find out if an Aero this cheap will have any scary surprises.
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johannes - 09 Mar 2008 09:39 GMT
> >If it is bad, you should consider one of those mobile fixers who repair
> >dents and scratches. I had one to repaint a panel which had an old bad
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> For now I'm going to Jenolite it to stop it going any further until I
> find out if an Aero this cheap will have any scary surprises.

I would be fearful of an Aero of that age. How has it been driven?
The gearbox is a week point for all that torque. Traction control is
another problem. A bit more costly in fuel and insurance. But of course
it has the glamour of the Aero tag and power corrupts :-) But probably
not much different in daily driving than my LPT.
Elder - 09 Mar 2008 10:44 GMT
> I would be fearful of an Aero of that age. How has it been driven?
> The gearbox is a week point for all that torque. Traction control is
> another problem. A bit more costly in fuel and insurance. But of course
> it has the glamour of the Aero tag and power corrupts :-) But probably
> not much different in daily driving than my LPT.

Gearbox was replaced 3k ago by Richard Elliott (Saabtec and SOC tech
officer), he has done the maintenance for at least the last two owners.

It was bought from him by the last owner as a stop gap until he
emigrated, and Richard offered to buy it back for £900 if it didn't sell
through ebay before he left.

Did a 93 have TCS? I've wanted one for a while just for the seats.
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Eeyore - 09 Mar 2008 00:49 GMT
> johs@size456y577fitter.com says...
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Need to sort out that scabby wheel arch so it doesn't disappear in a
> pile of rust, but the rest seems solid.

I thought much of the car was galvanised ? It's rare to see much rust on a
Saab IME aside from the A pillars which I reckon in both my examples were
compromised by careless windscreen replacement.

Graham
Adrian - 09 Mar 2008 10:40 GMT
Eeyore (Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com>) gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

>> Need to sort out that scabby wheel arch so it doesn't disappear in a
>> pile of rust, but the rest seems solid.

> I thought much of the car was galvanised ? It's rare to see much rust on
> a Saab IME aside from the A pillars which I reckon in both my examples
> were compromised by careless windscreen replacement.

NG900s are the exception, it'd seem - since they all seem to have very
scabby (typical Cavalier) rear arches.
Al - 09 Mar 2008 22:00 GMT
> Eeyore (Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com>) gurgled happily,
> sounding much like they were saying:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> NG900s are the exception, it'd seem - since they all seem to have very
> scabby (typical Cavalier) rear arches.

We had a 1994 NG900 until we swapped it out for a 97 9000 Anni a couple of
years back.  I have to  say the NG900 was the most reliable, and rust free
vehicle we've ever owned.

Al
Elder - 09 Mar 2008 10:49 GMT
> I thought much of the car was galvanised ? It's rare to see much rust on a
> Saab IME aside from the A pillars which I reckon in both my examples were
> compromised by careless windscreen replacement.

I don't know whether they are galvanised or not, but the rust on the car
is very localised, and it doesn't look like bad accident repair as the
wheel arch trim is very straight and very well fitted and the paint
match over the area is very good.
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Nel Frikandel - 13 Mar 2008 23:00 GMT
>This, bar the paying is my new daily toy.
>http://search.ebay.co.uk/330216571674

Whoa, nice one. I like the wheels on this, and the colour.
So you decided toforget about the 9-5 then?
Elder - 14 Mar 2008 21:07 GMT
> >This, bar the paying is my new daily toy.
> >http://search.ebay.co.uk/330216571674
>
> Whoa, nice one. I like the wheels on this, and the colour.
> So you decided toforget about the 9-5 then?

Yes, fuel figures without the fun isn't my cup of earl grey.
I didn't expect to find even a scruffy aero at the price I got it for.
They are some bits of rust on the rear left wheel arch and some slightly
rusty chips on the roof.
There is a bit of play in one of the mounts too, so the stick jumps
arround a little, but it was good enough to pass the mot, so it will do
for while until I work out if there are any other more major faults.
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PJGH - 06 Mar 2008 16:22 GMT
> A 1993 Lplate that was on Ebay. My bid went in to late and I missed it.
> But I contacted the seller and explained and said if the winner backs
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Note to self: It is a manual, you haven't driven one for a year.

Good luck ... back in the fold, eh, mate?
Elder - 06 Mar 2008 16:24 GMT
In article <1c0ae8bd-5943-42f9-bd70-
c420d699c96e@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, pjgh93@googlemail.com
says...
>> A 1993 Lplate that was on Ebay. My bid went in to late and I missed it.
>> But I contacted the seller and explained and said if the winner backs
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Good luck ... back in the fold, eh, mate?

Oh yes. Now, do you know anyone who wants to buy a Japanese 4 litre
planet killing S class beater for £800?
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Adrian - 06 Mar 2008 16:35 GMT
Elder (Elder <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com>) gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

> Oh yes. Now, do you know anyone who wants to buy

...an aging down-spec-Lexus import Toyota pimpmobile...

> for £800?

fleaBay it.
Elder - 06 Mar 2008 18:50 GMT
>Elder (Elder <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com>) gurgled happily, sounding
>much like they were saying:
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>
>fleaBay it.

That is the plan. I have lots of photos of it.
Either that or see if the local "Cars bought for cash" place will have
it. The boss drives a LS400.

He had his for sale for £2500. If he will give me £500-600, knowing he
will punt it out for £1200 (about right for the age/model/condition) the
Aero will have cost me just a couple of hundred.

And it us up-spec, not down spec. UK/US models never got electric
adjust/heated/massage seats in the rear, or their own full aircon system
totally seperate to the front.
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Eeyore - 06 Mar 2008 19:42 GMT
> A 1993 Lplate that was on Ebay. My bid went in to late and I missed it.
> But I contacted the seller and explained and said if the winner backs
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Note to self: It is a manual, you haven't driven one for a year.

Lucky devil.

Give us a link to the auction then.

Graham

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