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Car Forum / Saab Cars / March 2008

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Saab launches Pure BioPower Eco Clothing Collection

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sjmmail2000-247@yahoo.co.uk - 22 Mar 2008 08:16 GMT
Saab has embraced E85 as an alternative fuel in Europe as a way to offer good performance and relatively good emissions using small turbocharged engines. Because ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline, boost pressure can be raised, allowing for a higher specific power output. It also helps that Saab already had a history of being quirky and using turbocharged engines in their vehicles. As an added bonus, it also gets to capitalize on the "green" aspect of the biofuel, and is leaving no...
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johannes - 22 Mar 2008 08:33 GMT
> Saab has embraced E85 as an alternative fuel in Europe as a way to offer good performance and relatively good emissions using small turbocharged engines. Because ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline, boost pressure can be raised, allowing for a higher specific power output. It also helps that Saab already had a history of being quirky and using turbocharged engines in their vehicles. As an added bonus, it also gets to capitalize on the "green" aspect of the biofuel, and is leaving no...
> Read More: http://feeds.autoblog.com/~r/weblogsinc/autoblog/~3/255745871/

Mostly codswallop, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85

"Environmental Impact
Although proponents of E85 claim significant environmental benefits,
research is showing that the growing and harvesting of corn in the US
for use in E85 fuel is most likely damaging the environment and
contributing to global warming.[11]"
Charles C. - 22 Mar 2008 11:29 GMT
>> Saab has embraced E85 as an alternative fuel in Europe as a way to offer good performance and relatively good emissions using small turbocharged engines. Because ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline, boost pressure can be raised, allowing for a higher specific power output. It also helps that Saab already had a history of being quirky and using turbocharged engines in their vehicles. As an added bonus, it also gets to capitalize on the "green" aspect of the biofuel, and is leaving no...
>> Read More: http://feeds.autoblog.com/~r/weblogsinc/autoblog/~3/255745871/
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>  for use in E85 fuel is most likely damaging the environment and
>  contributing to global warming.[11]"

It was spam to make you go to his/her site and click on adverts :-)

Charles

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johannes - 22 Mar 2008 16:09 GMT
> >> Saab has embraced E85 as an alternative fuel in Europe as a way to offer good performance and relatively good emissions using small turbocharged engines. Because ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline, boost pressure can be raised, allowing for a higher specific power output. It also helps that Saab already had a history of being quirky and using turbocharged engines in their vehicles. As an added bonus, it also gets to capitalize on the "green" aspect of the biofuel, and is leaving no...
> >> Read More: http://feeds.autoblog.com/~r/weblogsinc/autoblog/~3/255745871/
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> It was spam to make you go to his/her site and click on adverts :-)

Yes I know. So I didn't look at any adverts. The article is full of
Bo****cs. Firstly, the car is hardly Swedish, that was a thing of the
past. Turbo charging a smallish petrol engine as a means of improving
efficiency is now much  more common these days, almost every manufacturer
have small engined turbo cars: VW TSI, Fiat T-Jet, Renault TCE; they're
all at it these days.

The idea that bio-fuel is "carbon neutral" is also suspect. Yes, I know the
standard green argument that because the bio-fuel comes from plants which
absorbs CO2, it doesn't add CO2 to the atmosphere.

But wait a minute...! Plants absorb CO2 from all combustion engines, not just
the bio-fuelled engines. The plants can't distinguish the source of the CO2.
The CO2 volume coming out of the exhaust of a bio-fuel engine is no less than
the CO2 from any other combustion engine. Since most engines run on non-bio,
it follows logically that most of the CO2 which is trapped by plants, is from
non-bio fuelled engines.

In other words, if the bio-fuel is claimed to be carbon neutral, then fossil
fuels should be assessed with a considerable CO2 discount, since the plants
absorbs CO2 also from that source.

Furthermore, production process of bio-fuel require high energy input; that
is CO2 from one source or another.
still just me - 23 Mar 2008 20:30 GMT
>Yes I know. So I didn't look at any adverts. The article is full of
>Bo****cs. Firstly, the car is hardly Swedish, that was a thing of the
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>Furthermore, production process of bio-fuel require high energy input; that
>is CO2 from one source or another.

Bio-fuel is not the panacea once thought. Governments worldwide have
realized this and started to put various programs on hold or stop them
all together.

Not only are the problems you cited there, but it's resulting in
reduced food for consumption and higher food costs to poor countries
as well as additional destruction of rain forests for farming
(furthering the CO2 problem).
Charles C. - 23 Mar 2008 21:38 GMT
>> Yes I know. So I didn't look at any adverts. The article is full of
>> Bo****cs. Firstly, the car is hardly Swedish, that was a thing of the
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> as well as additional destruction of rain forests for farming
> (furthering the CO2 problem).

Yup, and I will make sure I don't use it knowingly.

:-)
Charles

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johannes - 24 Mar 2008 08:55 GMT
> >> Yes I know. So I didn't look at any adverts. The article is full of
> >> Bo****cs. Firstly, the car is hardly Swedish, that was a thing of the
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> :-)
> Charles

I hope the spammer has learnt not to post his spam to an intelligent ng :-)
Charles C. - 24 Mar 2008 10:56 GMT
>>> Not only are the problems you cited there, but it's resulting in
>>> reduced food for consumption and higher food costs to poor countries
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> I hope the spammer has learnt not to post his spam to an intelligent ng :-)

Right! :-)

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Frank Vuotto - 25 Mar 2008 00:50 GMT
I would be happy if SAAB could work on the technology to make a badge
that retains color,

Frank
http://www7.taosnet.com/f10/saabplate/

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