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Car Forum / Saturn Cars / March 2005

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Removing frozen bolts???

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JacktheCat Turkey - 31 Jan 2005 08:06 GMT
I'm finally replacing the head gasket on my 95 SW1 SOHC because I'm now
having to add 1/2 gallon/day in water-(green)antifreeze.
No "milkshakes"  just a good green leak from the front and back of the
engine.
This is a by-the-book (Haynes) job. I can't locate a FSM. The 10mm bolts
holding the AC compressor bracket to the head are frozen. I've tried
liquid wrench, a little heat from a propane torch, impact driver
(hammer). No luck.
I'm also having problems getting the harmonic balancer pulley bolt off
too. Yes, i've wedged the pulley and tried a big torque wrench. The book
says 256lft/lbs. Feels like 500. This is a counterclockwise removal.
yes??
Depression is starting to set in.
What other tools or gods do I need???
Help!!!

Jackcat in Tucson.
blah blah - 31 Jan 2005 16:05 GMT
> I'm finally replacing the head gasket on my 95 SW1 SOHC because I'm now
> having to add 1/2 gallon/day in water-(green)antifreeze.
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>
> Jackcat in Tucson.

Dont use an impact to remove bolts from aluminum! The threads will get
pulled out with the bolts. Also be carefull with which bolts you apply
heat to because some have a very specific heat treat. Get a "longer
ratchet" and make sure your sockets are the warrantied type. (dont use
12 points)

The harmonic balancer bolt is threaded like any other. Turn it counter
clockwise to remove but you will likely need about a 4 foot long
ratchet/breaker bar (dont use torque wrenches for removal) and someone
using a tool to hold the flywheel/flexplate. Before you put most of
these bolts back in put "a little" Anti-Seize on them unless they
require a locking/sealing compound.
Kevin M. Keller - 31 Jan 2005 23:14 GMT
JackCat@webtv.net (JacktheCat Turkey) typed until their fingers bled,
and came up with:

> The 10mm bolts
> holding the AC compressor bracket to the head are frozen. I've tried
> liquid wrench, a little heat from a propane torch, impact driver
> (hammer). No luck.

use a real impact wrench.

> I'm also having problems getting the harmonic balancer pulley bolt off
> too. Yes, i've wedged the pulley and tried a big torque wrench. The
> book says 256lft/lbs. Feels like 500. This is a counterclockwise
> removal. yes??

I had to use an IR Titanium impact to get that one loose. I've done the
big breaker bar thing, bracing a block of wood in the pulley to keep it
from spinning, and it is a major PITA.  It is torqued to 155 ft lbs -
the highest torqued fastner on the car.  

> Depression is starting to set in.

Been there, Done that, have the T-shirt

> What other tools or gods do I need???

air tools.

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Oppie - 31 Jan 2005 23:40 GMT
I get a product called Kroil from www.kanolabs.com (only available
mail-order and internet). I buy a gallon at a time and thoroughly saturate
all bolts to be removed. Rarely have lost a bolt that way.
The harmonic balancer can be a bit of a pain to remove but most often just
needs a serious impact wrench. I had one for $40 that worked ok but the $200
thunder gun (1/2" drive) is amazing.
I gave up the propane torch years ago. I have a oxy/acet set now but did use
mapp gas in a turbo torch for a while. Far better heat output. Aluminum has
much better heat flow than steel so any heat you put in one area tends to
flow away unless you use a lot of heat in a small area.
As with any repair, a general knowledge of how much force you can exert on a
bolt before it breaks is often learned by experience. Sometimes just
cracking it loose is only half the battle. Keep adding a good penetrating
fluid and working the bolt back and forth to remove it without stripping the
aluminum threads.

> I'm finally replacing the head gasket on my 95 SW1 SOHC because I'm now
> having to add 1/2 gallon/day in water-(green)antifreeze.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Jackcat in Tucson.
Laz - 27 Mar 2005 11:04 GMT
The aluminum had a chemical reaction ( galvanic corrosion ) to the steel and
seized. Try to see if you can get some ammonia to flood the seized bolt ( in
place of a liquid wrench type product ); this should neutralize the reaction
and  free the bolt. Will do a lot less damage than brute force method.

Laz

> I get a product called Kroil from www.kanolabs.com (only available
> mail-order and internet). I buy a gallon at a time and thoroughly saturate
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> >
> > Jackcat in Tucson.
 
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