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Car Forum / Saturn Cars / March 2005Ion - dissapointing
Checked out the new Ion's this week. The car was ok. They were not especially striking or loaded with features for 15-18k. But, NONE of the cars on the lot had anti-lock brakes. The salesman gave me some cock and bull story about how the ion has 50% of the weight on the front and back so you don't need anti lock......sheeeezeee! The other thing that ticked me off was that the dealer had the old paint job sealant scam on every can on the lot. $600 for something that is = to waxing your card a couple times a year. I guess I'll have to get the A/C fixed on my old 92 SC. 145K and still going strong... except the compressor is dead. 2nd one too. This time I'll have to do compressor, expansion valve, drier and convert it to 134. Thoughts on the A/C job? my dealer has an 04' quad coupe with 100 miles on it its blue has all the options including abs and traction control. has aftermarket 16 inch rims with low profile tires. factory ground effects kit. and they want 17,600 for it the origional price is 23,000 but they are tryin to get rid of it. im thinkin about tradin my ion 2 in for it > Checked out the new Ion's this week. The car was ok. They were not > especially striking or loaded with features for 15-18k. But, NONE of the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Thoughts on the A/C job? > I guess I'll have to get the A/C fixed on my old 92 SC. 145K and still > going strong... except the compressor is dead. 2nd one too. This time I'll > have to do compressor, expansion valve, drier and convert it to 134. > > Thoughts on the A/C job? Install a filter before and after the compressor. Not sure how your last service was done but if you had r12 and r134 mixed or the wrong types of oil mixed it can cause a compressor failure. Have it the evap and condensor flushed out and do as you mentioned above and you should be fine. No, last compressor replacement I was able to stick with R12. This time it will have to be flushed and changed to R134. Still on the fence as far as fixing my beloved old SC or getting a car made in this millennium. >> I guess I'll have to get the A/C fixed on my old 92 SC. 145K and still >> going strong... except the compressor is dead. 2nd one too. This time [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > condensor flushed out and do as you mentioned above and you should be > fine. Sounds like you got stuck with a real winner for a salesman, he should be working for dodge, lol. The ION does have a 60-40 split weight balance, but that does NOT replace ABS nor TC which ARE available on level 2 and level 3 IONs. Either that salesman didnt know his keister from his head or they were out of such cars, either case he was mis-informed. Also, different dealers offer different variations of the "Protection Package", which varies from just a box of expensive wax to an actual warranty on the paint and interior materials beyond the factory warranty. The best bet is an upper level ION.2 which is hard to find, but many dealers have them. You can get all the features of a level 3 for less, including TC and ABS (which are always packaged together). marx404 > Sounds like you got stuck with a real winner for a salesman, he should be > working for dodge, lol. The ION does have a 60-40 split weight balance, but [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > marx404 Has anyone ever ordered a Saturn rather than buying off the lot? I would think that would be safer with a fixed price car than a regular dealer that could jack up the price after you dropped a deposit on a car you wouldn't see for a while. ron 94 SL1 I ordered my SC in 92. I got every thing but the sun roof and leather seats. Power windows, locks, cd player, cruise control, abs, air bag were all options. >> Sounds like you got stuck with a real winner for a salesman, he should be >> working for dodge, lol. The ION does have a 60-40 split weight balance, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > ron > 94 SL1 >Checked out the new Ion's this week. The car was ok. They were not >especially striking or loaded with features for 15-18k. But, NONE of the >cars on the lot had anti-lock brakes. The salesman gave me some cock and >bull story about how the ion has 50% of the weight on the front and back so >you don't need anti lock......sheeeezeee! Yeah you are rights, sheeeeezeeee. The 50/50 is at rest. Now I'm not a an ABS fan, infact I don't look for it cause it lengthens the stopping distance, but being customer who wants it, you have teh final say. I have to say Saturn goofed going to the ion, when they finally got the SL right. :-P >The other thing that ticked me off was that the dealer had the old paint job >sealant scam on every can on the lot. $600 for something that is = to >waxing your card a couple times a year. Take your money else where. >I guess I'll have to get the A/C fixed on my old 92 SC. 145K and still >going strong... except the compressor is dead. 2nd one too. This time I'll >have to do compressor, expansion valve, drier and convert it to 134. Tip, if a ever compressor fails, have your system flushe, orifice replaced and inline filters. Compressors fail and sent foriegn particles in the system, that crap out new ones. Some people don't flush, since it's money having you come back a year later. So I've heard! >Thoughts on the A/C job? Yeah, what failed? later, tom @ www.ChopURL.com > I have to say Saturn goofed going to the ion, when they finally got > the SL right. :-P Yes if the had just stuck with that design and put the Ecotec in it, it would have been a excellent car. It was disappointing to have a salesman giving me that kind of crap. Especially with a company that gives you a "different" experience. The last 3 cars I bought, 95 camro Z28, 98 venture van (totaled), 2000 ventrure van, I just went in with the factory invoice and said: this is what I'll pay, is that good with you? If so, we can proceed. Don't get me wrong, I love my 92 SC. Saturn had a real winner with the SC's. It is amazing how many I still see on the road today. Its just something about the ION I can't put my finger on that doesn't grab me. >> I have to say Saturn goofed going to the ion, when they finally got >> the SL right. :-P > > Yes if the had just stuck with that design and put the Ecotec in it, it > would have been a excellent car. > It was disappointing to have a salesman giving me that kind of crap. > Especially with a company that gives you a "different" experience. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > SC's. It is amazing how many I still see on the road today. Its just > something about the ION I can't put my finger on that doesn't grab me. It's ugly? It's butt ugly? Personally I can't seem to get past the funky name and weird commercials. And what the heck does "designed for what ever comes next" mean????????? and how come Saturn doesn't make a wagon any more? ron 94 SL1 ... >and how come Saturn doesn't make a wagon any more? Because wagons cut into more profitable SUV and minivan sales. It was a conscious decision to make more money at our expense. > ... > > > >and how come Saturn doesn't make a wagon any more? > > Because wagons cut into more profitable SUV and minivan sales. It was > a conscious decision to make more money at our expense. But the 4 cylinder LW was about $2,600 more than the LS so they seemed to be profiting some from the wagon(?) oh well looks like a Ford Focus wagon will be my next ride, can't afford a subaru or VW wagon. ron herfurth 94 SL1 >... >> >>and how come Saturn doesn't make a wagon any more? > >Because wagons cut into more profitable SUV and minivan sales. It was >a conscious decision to make more money at our expense. Maybe the government should mandate they type of vehicle that is sold. I hear that the Lada will satisfy your every need. There was a seven year waiting list to get one of those Soviet produced cars when the Union collapsed, and theser were people that had paid up front to get on the wainting list. Perhaps you should look at the well heeled class that can spend 40 to 50 k for a car. Last year they bought 400 BMW 3 series station wagons in the US. Yeah that is right, 400 of them. The X5 outsold the station wagon at better than 100 to 1. The fact is the ameracan buyer will buy the largest piece of crap they can afford to put gas in, and to buy a station wagon is to admit they are a suburban dork, so they buy a station wagon on a truck chasis. GM is merely responding to market demands. cantera_2@RemoveThis.netzero.com typed until their fingers bled, and came up with: >>... >>> >>>and how come Saturn doesn't make a wagon any more? > The fact is the ameracan buyer will buy the largest piece of crap they > can afford to put gas in, and to buy a station wagon is to admit they > are a suburban dork, so they buy a station wagon on a truck chasis. > GM is merely responding to market demands. There was a quote in AutoWeek a few months ago from a car manufacturer (can't remember who - I think Subaru) that went something like "In the '80's, we built station wagons, and people bought them because they needed station wagons. Now, we build station wagons, call them 'crossover sport activitiy vehicles,' and people buy then because they need station wagons"  SignatureVisit the Saturn Performance Club - http://www.saturnperformanceclub.com Auto makers usually are responding to the market from 3 years ago. Now all the maker are stuck with gas guzzling SUVs while we want good gas mileage now. >>... >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > are a suburban dork, so they buy a station wagon on a truck chasis. > GM is merely responding to market demands. Actually the Ford 500 should be what the market needs if the quality is decent. Check the mileage on a darn big car. > Auto makers usually are responding to the market from 3 years ago. Now > all the maker are stuck with gas guzzling SUVs while we want good gas [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> are a suburban dork, so they buy a station wagon on a truck chasis. >> GM is merely responding to market demands. Yeah if you want to work on that Duratec 30degree V6 POS and if you actually think its going to hold up lugging around that 3800lbs sedan. My car, made in 1998, is roughly the same weight, .8 liters more, 12 valves less, 2 hp more, 30 Lbs more torque, uses a "timing chain" (not sure if duratec uses a belt but its likely), same highway mileage while I'm doing 75mph with it seldom dipping below 24mpg combined highway/city and its design came out nearly 10 years ago!!! I hardly call the Ford 500 revolutionary. If you want a car now in its price range, with a warranty, and that is easy to work on after the warrenty is up then you better grab a new Bonneville before they're sold out or a Grand Prix. Either one with a 3800 would be far better than a car with an engine compartment that looks like it was thrown up in. > Actually the Ford 500 should be what the market needs if the quality is > decent. Check the mileage on a darn big car. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >>>> > >>>>and how come Saturn doesn't make a wagon any more? The problem I have with GM Grand Prix and Bonneville is that whenever I rent one I just cannot believe how many annoyances GM can build into the interior of a car. It is beyond me why they can't fix the darn interior. It is quiet but annoying as hell. > Yeah if you want to work on that Duratec 30degree V6 POS and if you > actually think its going to hold up lugging around that 3800lbs sedan. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >>>> >> >>>>and how come Saturn doesn't make a wagon any more? Yes let us ignore the those petty internal workings of the car for the much more important annoyances in the interior that effect only the most hypersensitive people driving those pesky rentals... <roles eyes> > The problem I have with GM Grand Prix and Bonneville is that whenever I rent > one I just cannot believe how many annoyances GM can build into the interior [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >> Actually the Ford 500 should be what the market needs if the quality is > >> decent. Check the mileage on a darn big car. Sorry but many of those annoyances include cheap plastic levers which cost a lot of money to replace when they snap off. Meanwhile with proper maintenence, few people have problems even with those crappy Ford engines. > Yes let us ignore the those petty internal workings of the car for the > much more important annoyances in the interior that effect only the most [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> is >> >> decent. Check the mileage on a darn big car. What Plastic levers? I cant recall any levers snapping off in any of my Pontaics. You would have to be a complete Ape to break something in a Pontiac and then you would be just as likely to break something in a BMW or a Toyota and then you would pay more out the a.s for a replacement. If your only experiance with Pontiacs is "rentals" you hardly have a opinion here as all rentals are abused. Regular maintenence is one of the very things I cant stand with Fords. They put no thought into their designs for what should be simple maintenence and repairs. If you actually worked on cars you would know that. As an example, motor mounts dont last forever and when they do go they always seem to take 3 times longer and 10 times more tools to replace on a Ford. Judging by your post I have seen here and elsewhere there is nothing out there that will satisfy you Art. Every tiny bad experiance you have seems to entitle you to steriotype an entire brand. Everything you have been in you hate. Anything that you will be in you will no doubt hate. Anything that has yet to be conceived you will hate and you will be damn sure to troll every group with that hateful nitpicking of yours for every trivial thing you can find. I'm not sure how you even stand being near a car. You obviously have no real reason for being here, welcome to my killfile troll. > Sorry but many of those annoyances include cheap plastic levers which cost a > lot of money to replace when they snap off. Meanwhile with proper [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > much more important annoyances in the interior that effect only the most > > hypersensitive people driving those pesky rentals... <roles eyes> |
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