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koos1 - 19 Nov 2005 05:35 GMT
I have oil in my cooling system, and use a lot of oilin my engine. There is
no water in the engine oil.
blah blah - 19 Nov 2005 12:18 GMT
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<1bf74ed90a43d6d27f7b92249ba3147e@localhost.talkaboutautos.com>,
koos@nospam.myself.com. says...
> I have oil in my cooling system, and use a lot of oilin my engine. There is
> no water in the engine oil.

Is the car blue or green?
Kevin M. Keller - 19 Nov 2005 16:50 GMT
"koos1" <koos@nospam.myself.com.> typed until their fingers bled, and
came up with:

> I have oil in my cooling system, and use a lot of oilin my engine.
> There is no water in the engine oil.

I'm guessing you have a '95 or '96.  There was a known casting flaw in
those engines.  1 of the 3 I work on suffered from it.  You'll need a new
head.

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blah blah - 19 Nov 2005 17:29 GMT
> "koos1" <koos@nospam.myself.com.> typed until their fingers bled, and
> came up with:
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> those engines.  1 of the 3 I work on suffered from it.  You'll need a new
> head.

Then you must also be guessing he has a SL1 SOHC? I hate it when people
make vague post. I dont like answering them until they post some useful
details.
Kevin M. Keller - 19 Nov 2005 21:10 GMT
blah blah <bl@h.blah> typed until their fingers bled, and came up with:

>> I'm guessing you have a '95 or '96.  There was a known casting flaw
>> in those engines.  1 of the 3 I work on suffered from it.  You'll
>> need a new head.
>
> Then you must also be guessing he has a SL1 SOHC?

The poster stated they had an SL, which has the SOHC motor.    

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blah blah - 20 Nov 2005 04:08 GMT
> >> I'm guessing you have a '95 or '96.  There was a known casting flaw
> >> in those engines.  1 of the 3 I work on suffered from it.  You'll
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> The poster stated they had an SL, which has the SOHC motor.    

SL means nothing to me. He might as well have said S-series! Just so
you know, the S-series came with two engines and one was for S_1's and
the other was for S_2's. (L,C, or W) Oh and one has had casting flaws
and the other never did. So it would be nice to establish what someone
has before sending them in the wrong direction...
Ratbert - 20 Nov 2005 05:09 GMT
>  SL means nothing to me. He might as well have said S-series! Just so
> you know, the S-series came with two engines and one was for S_1's and
> the other was for S_2's. (L,C, or W) Oh and one has had casting flaws
> and the other never did. So it would be nice to establish what someone
> has before sending them in the wrong direction...

SL does mean something to Saturn, who sold a car by the name of SL, in
addition to the six you mentioned.  As has been mentioned, it had the
same engine as the SL1
Kevin M. Keller - 20 Nov 2005 15:33 GMT
blah blah <bl@h.blah> typed until their fingers bled, and came up with:

>> >> I'm guessing you have a '95 or '96.  There was a known casting flaw
>> >> in those engines.  1 of the 3 I work on suffered from it.  You'll
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>  SL means nothing to me.

The SL was the bare bones, few options version of the SL1.  Manual
steering, 5-speed only, no right side mirror (was an option), front
speakers only, etc.  

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Bob Shuman - 19 Nov 2005 19:50 GMT
New head, new water pump, and all new rubber coolant hoses too if the head
is cracked.

 Bob

> "koos1" <koos@nospam.myself.com.> typed until their fingers bled, and
> came up with:
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> those engines.  1 of the 3 I work on suffered from it.  You'll need a new
> head.
Kevin M. Keller - 19 Nov 2005 21:12 GMT
"Bob Shuman" <reshuman@removethis.lucent.com> typed until their fingers
bled, and came up with:

> New head, new water pump, and all new rubber coolant hoses too if the
> head is cracked.

I agree about the new hoses, and I'd add a new thermostat.  But if you
follow the FSM engine flush procedure, I see no need for a new water pump.  
At least, I didn't replace the pump on the one I did, and 30k miles later,
it's still running like a champ.

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Bob Shuman - 19 Nov 2005 21:40 GMT
Yes, on the T-Stat ... forgot that.  On the water pump, if you have some
miles on the vehicle it is just easier to do it now while it is all apart.
If you don't you may be doing one within the next year and labor will be
minimal since you are in there now anyway.

Bob

> "Bob Shuman" <reshuman@removethis.lucent.com> typed until their fingers
> bled, and came up with:
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> At least, I didn't replace the pump on the one I did, and 30k miles later,
> it's still running like a champ.
Kevin M. Keller - 19 Nov 2005 23:42 GMT
"Bob Shuman" <no_spam_thx@sbcglobal.net> typed until their fingers bled,
and came up with:

> Yes, on the T-Stat ... forgot that.  On the water pump, if you have
> some miles on the vehicle it is just easier to do it now while it is
> all apart. If you don't you may be doing one within the next year and
> labor will be minimal since you are in there now anyway.

I had just done the pump a year before, so I skipped it.  I agree with the
"since you've got it that far apart you might as well..."  While doing the
head, I'd go ahead & replace the timing chain, and possibly the oil pump.

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koos1 - 26 Nov 2005 17:50 GMT
Sorry I haven't replied earlier were ot of town.
No the car is not a 95-96 but a 98. sl is the bottom of the line saturn
in other words the cheapest. FIve speed standard transmission. Someone
tokd me that the oil cooling lines in the radiator could be leaking what
do you think.
Kevin M. Keller - 26 Nov 2005 21:28 GMT
"koos1" <koos@nospam.myself.com.> typed until their fingers bled, and came
up with:

> Sorry I haven't replied earlier were ot of town.
>  No the car is not a 95-96 but a 98. sl is the bottom of the line saturn
> in other words the cheapest. FIve speed standard transmission. Someone
> tokd me that the oil cooling lines in the radiator could be leaking what
> do you think.

Well, there are no oil cooling lines in the radiator, so I doubt that's it.  
The automatics have tranny cooler lines, but there are not in the 5-speeds.

I'd do a compression test, and see if you have a bad head gasket.

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koos1 - 28 Nov 2005 19:29 GMT
thanks ill try that
 
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