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Car Forum / Saturn Cars / February 2007black oil
My saturn, 96 sc2 150k oil is getting blacker and blacker and I am using about 1 1/2 quarts between oil changes. I use to change oil every 3000 miles but have started moving it up to 2500 because of the color. I started with mobil one oil synthetic from about 75k miles but since about 125k have started using penzoil because of the cost of mobil one and the frequent changes. Is there anything I can do to safely clean this engine! I have also been producing a lot of carbon for I get the occassional egr code because of a stuck pintal or whatever it is called. I've been thinking about taking the car into a dealer tht decarbonizes engines but was hoping for a better remedy. Phil >My saturn, 96 sc2 150k oil is getting blacker and blacker and I am >using about 1 1/2 quarts between oil changes. I use to change oil [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >engines but was hoping for a better remedy. >Phil It is a waste of money to use SYN oil in a older engine that is showing signs of wear. Use a good conventail oil in a 10w30 grade as it will cut consumption and cost and keep changing oil frequently at 2500 or less miles. You can keep a old engine alive for a very long time if you do this and keep it full of oil too. Most negelect engines when they get old and never change oil when they add to it often and hasten engines demise. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com My oil is black as can be after a few miles, in ALL 3 of my current vehicles. And it has been this way in all the vehicles I've ever owned. If you're making the assumption that it shouldn't be - what is your basis for thinking this (links)? If you're concerned about the content of the oil (which it seems that you are more than most), have you sent it in for an oil analysis? That would mean more than a judgement based on its color, IMO. Thanks, Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ] --- Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at http://www.evilplastic.com > My saturn, 96 sc2 150k oil is getting blacker and blacker and I am > using about 1 1/2 quarts between oil changes. I use to change oil [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > engines but was hoping for a better remedy. > Phil > My oil is black as can be after a few miles, in ALL 3 of my current > vehicles. And it has been this way in all the vehicles I've ever owned. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I guess what my concern is I have 2 different satuns, the 96sc2 and I also have a 97sl2 The sl2 use nothing but mobil one and oil seems to stay lighter longer before getting darker and never gets black so I stayed with mobile one and chage it every 3000 miles OR 3months whichever comes first. The 96 seems to get dark after about 100 miles and pretty black by 2500 miles. I would say the oil is fine for the amount that is added to keep it filled. The 96 also seems to produce much more carbon albiet the egr valve acting up ( it is a new valve). I was just wondering if these problems might be all connected like maybe carbonized and a stuck ring and if maybe some sort of cleaner would take care of this >The 96 also seems to produce >much more carbon albiet the egr valve acting up ( it is a new valve). >I was just wondering if these problems might be all connected like >maybe carbonized and a stuck ring and if maybe some sort of cleaner >would take care of this This is no surprize because it is burning a bit more oil and that fact that it is getting black sooner shows that rings are leaking. I am not knocking SYN oil because I have used it in a few vechiles (one for 19 years so far) but I do not switch to it in a used engine nor continue to use it when engine becomes worn and needs frequent oil changes. SYN oil tend to "slip" through rings more than conventional oil in a worn engine. It can do well in a nice tight engine but not best choice for a older one showing signs of wear. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>The 96 also seems to produce >>much more carbon albiet the egr valve acting up ( it is a new valve). [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >----------------- >TheSnoMan.com Please fix your broken newsreader configuration.  SignatureRegards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. >Please fix your broken newsreader configuration. Nothin to "fix" just because you do not like it. It is not "broken", you just do not like current configuration because your client or you have issues with it. Prehaps you should contant the authors of "Agent" and tell them that it is a defective product. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>Please fix your broken newsreader configuration. > >Nothin to "fix" just because you do not like it. It is not "broken", Yes, it is. It's prepending superfluous "Re: " strings at the beginning of every followup that you post. >you just do not like current configuration because your client or you >have issues with it. As I have already pointed out to you before, (a) I'm not the only person either to see the problem, or to complain to you about it, (b) you *are* the only poster I see whose posts exhibit this problem, and (c) if you look in Google you'll see that the problem is in the text that you posted. My newsreader has nothing to do with it. >Prehaps you should contant the authors of "Agent" >and tell them that it is a defective product. Perhaps you should contact the authors of Agent and ask them for assistance in configuring it properly. SignatureRegards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. > In article SnoMan the internets retarded child <admin@snoman.com> wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yes, it is. It's prepending superfluous "Re: " strings at the beginning of > every followup that you post. You are under estimating how dense this guy is Doug. You and everyone else can tell him the world is round and show him pictures from space proving it but if he believes it is a flat rectangle then by golly that's what it is, evidence be damned. > >you just do not like current configuration because your client or you > >have issues with it. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Google you'll see that the problem is in the text that you posted. My > newsreader has nothing to do with it. Again, evidence be damned. I have no doubt he went in and screwed with Agents settings. I had to Google the fix because it is blatantly obvious he doesn't know how to use Google either. You told him how to verify that it is clearly "HIS" problem and he still doesnt get it. He lives in a land of absolute denial. ----------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------THE FIX-------------------------- Options > General Preferences > Message List Reply prefixes: re re^2 re^3 aw "This is about the default value. Agent recognizes these introductions of the subject, and ignores them when deciding if it is a new thread. Further, when posting a follow-up or a reply, Agent removes all of these, and places its own Re: in front of the subject." ------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------- > >Prehaps you should contant the authors of "Agent" > >and tell them that it is a defective product. > > Perhaps you should contact the authors of Agent and ask them for assistance in > configuring it properly. That would require the admission that "he" is wrong and at fault... Your posts have been well written, kind, and to the point Doug...But being nice to this guy still wont change a thing. I think the best fix would be telling him to get lost. Of course this post will throw him into a tizzy and he still will not fix Agent. Instead he'll probably spend his time trying in vain to smear me. One good thing about this though is when someone sorts by "Subject" his re re re replies aren't even grouped with the subject being discussed. ;) > >Please fix your broken newsreader configuration. > > Nothin to "fix" just because you do not like it. It is not "broken", Yes, it is, and now, having downloaded a copy of Agent and replicated the problem myself, I can tell you *exactly* what's broken. Locate your Agent.ini file. In my copy of Agent, it's at C:\Program Files\Agent\Data\Agent.ini Depending on what version of Agent you have, it may be in a different place on your machine. Now open Agent.ini in Notepad, and locate the line that begins with ReplyPrefixes= That line *should* say ReplyPrefixes=re In your [broken] configuration, it doesn't. Probably, it just says ReplyPrefixes= Or perhaps it's missing altogether, in which case you can fix your broken configuration by locating the [Article] section in Agent.ini and adding that line somewhere after [Article] and before the next [ ] section header. > > >Please fix your broken newsreader configuration. > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > adding that line somewhere after [Article] and before the next [ ] > section header. One more thing -- you can also get there, in my copy of Agent, by selecting Tools | Options | Display | Message List Pane | Threading. The 'Reply Prefixes' setting is near the bottom. |
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