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Car Forum / Saturn Cars / December 2007'02 L200 just laid down on the highway
70 mph, speed control on, just laid down like you turned the key off. Wouldn't restart. Cranks ok. any ideas before the dealer tows it in tomorrow morning? thanks steve barker Out of gas? > 70 mph, speed control on, just laid down like you turned the key off. > Wouldn't restart. Cranks ok. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > steve barker >70 mph, speed control on, just laid down like you turned the key off. >Wouldn't restart. Cranks ok. > >any ideas before the dealer tows it in tomorrow morning? "Just like you turned the key off" sounds like an electrical problem of some sort. This could include fuel injection, but I'm more inclined to think ignition. Other fuel delivery problems, such as a failed pump or ruptured fuel line, would produce symptoms similar to running out of gas, not an abrupt shutdown.  SignatureRegards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. My '01 Lw300 needed a crank angle sensor. You won't get a fuel pump trigger (and no fuel pressure) if there is no crank sensor output. A scan tool will quickly diagnose this by no engine RPM detected on cranking. Fuel pump will come on at key on for a half second and will show some pressure on a diagnostic gauge attached to the test port. When cranking, if all else is good, the fuel pressure should increase a bit more (you can do a fuel flow test too if you have the tools to see if the pump is being properly triggered). > 70 mph, speed control on, just laid down like you turned the key off. > Wouldn't restart. Cranks ok. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > steve barker Good, good, and bad..... Ignition module bad. covered by warranty. Good Tow in covered by warranty. Good Windshield busted out by vandals whilst car sat on the highway overnite. not covered by anything but my pocket. $172. Bad. steve > 70 mph, speed control on, just laid down like you turned the key off. > Wouldn't restart. Cranks ok. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > steve barker > Good, good, and bad..... >Snip > > Windshield busted out by vandals whilst car sat on the highway overnite. > not covered by anything but my pocket. $172. Bad. >Snip Sorry to hear of the bad. Please consider AAA. Only a buck a day for same day towing and peace of mind. I used it only once but it saved me a $75 tow charge. R. my extended coverage covered the tow. new news though; the module was a misdiagnosis. the timing chain is broke. s >> Good, good, and bad..... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > R. Yikes! How much damage was done to the motor and will your insurance cover it? > my extended coverage covered the tow. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > s [top posting corrected] >> my extended coverage covered the tow. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Yikes! How much damage was done to the motor and will your insurance cover >it? If you know of any standard auto insurance policies that *do* cover mechanical failure, please let all the rest of know right away. SignatureRegards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. yes, my extended policy covers the engine including timing belt/chain. There's not much on the list it doesn't cover except normal wear items like brakes and belts. s > [top posting corrected] >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > mechanical > failure, please let all the rest of know right away. Buying the extended insurance is a crap-shoot. Most times it isn't worth the money. You just saved big-time with this repair even if the glass repair had to come out of your own pocket. Buy a lottery ticket while you're at it... > yes, my extended policy covers the engine including timing belt/chain. > There's not much on the list it doesn't cover except normal wear items > like brakes and belts. > > s I always buy the extended plans on items over say $500. And i always make them pay off. I haven't bought an inkjet printer since 1990, and have had 7 since then. I haven't bought a digital camera since '94 and have had 3. Believe me, if i buy an extended plan, i don't lose money. Although i had nothing to do with this timing chain breaking. I'd just as soon be driving the car actually. s > Buying the extended insurance is a crap-shoot. Most times it isn't worth > the money. You just saved big-time with this repair even if the glass [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> s > I always buy the extended plans on items over say $500. And i always make > them pay off. I haven't bought an inkjet printer since 1990, and have had 7 <snip> I almost never buy an extended plan, but then again I don't buy very much stuff. ;-) Two years ago my wife bought an extended plan on a Dell printer because the plan was very inexpensive, I think on the order of $10. It has paid off twice. We also bought a new Civic Hybrid in April. An 8 year 120,000 mile extended warranty was $980. I figure in 8 years or 120,000 miles at least one component which will cost that will need replacement. -David All I can say is I don't know who you buy your inkjets from, but I've had mine for the better part of 7 or more years (Canon i850) and it hasn't let me down once. Nor has my dads 'retired' LaserJet III that's still kicking today. I still sport some of the fastest prints and cheapest inks. Maybe instead of throwing your money and time away trying to exercise extended warranties you should just find quality products instead. Just my two cents. -Brian > I always buy the extended plans on items over say $500. And i always make > them pay off. I haven't bought an inkjet printer since 1990, and have had [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>> >>> s I"m still using the HP895 csi. I would hardly call any canon inkjet printer a 'quality' product. s > All I can say is I don't know who you buy your inkjets from, but I've had > mine for the better part of 7 or more years (Canon i850) and it hasn't let [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>>> >>>> s I was a big fan of Epson inkjet printers but did it on the cheap and got the ink cartridges refilled at Cartridge World. Unlike some printers that have the print head as part of the cartridge, Epson burries the head inside the printer and it is not serviceable. I got clogs in the head and had to toss two printers. Using third party inks voids warranty so not much use in getting extended warranties. When we got a new computer last year, it came packaged with a Canon IP1700 printer. Worked very well but just went belly up after 8 months for nothing related to ink. We replaced it with a Canon IP3500 which I have to say is great. The cartridges are ink only and the print head IS replaceable. On top of that, it is vista compatible and does multiple pages per sheet, page scaling, book printing and painless duplex printing (you have to flip the sheets but it has two paper feeds and walks you through how to reload the partially printed sheets). Best part is it was $59 at Staples and had a $20 mail-in rebate. Oppie > All I can say is I don't know who you buy your inkjets from, but I've had > mine for the better part of 7 or more years (Canon i850) and it hasn't let [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Just my two cents. > -Brian on Tuesday 18 December 2007 05:51 am, someone posing as Oppie took a rock and etched into the cave: >> All I can say is I don't know who you buy your inkjets from, but I've had >> mine for the better part of 7 or more years (Canon i850) and it hasn't [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > $20 mail-in rebate. > Oppie I always go with HP. Great quality, good ink, good price and excellent Linux support. Canon always forces you to downgrade to Wintendo. Signaturewww.perfectreign.com > on Tuesday 18 December 2007 05:51 am, someone posing as Oppie took a rock > and etched into the cave: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Canon always forces you to downgrade to Wintendo. Operating Systems are like Religions. Everybody has a favorite one and are rarely swayed... Now pardon me while I toggle the bootstrap into the switch register... (circa 1970) on Tuesday 18 December 2007 02:15 pm, someone posing as Oppie took a rock and etched into the cave: >> on Tuesday 18 December 2007 05:51 am, someone posing as Oppie took a rock >> and etched into the cave: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Now pardon me while I toggle the bootstrap into the switch register... > (circa 1970) Heh - actually I was a Wintendo evangelist back in the mid-'90s. I converted dozens of firms from NetWare to NT 4. However, I've "seen the light" and haven't looked back. Believe it or not - on my desk at work I have four workstations - openSUSE 10.3, openSUSE 10.2 (this laptop), Vista Business and XP Pro. I speak less from emotion (as in religion) and more from raw experience. Now, don't start me talking about car companies.... :P Signaturewww.perfectreign.com >yes, my extended policy covers the engine including timing belt/chain. >There's not much on the list it doesn't cover except normal wear items like >brakes and belts. I take it you mean extended *warranty*. SignatureRegards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. It's actually a third party service plan purchased with the used vehicle. I rekon you could call it what you want. s >>yes, my extended policy covers the engine including timing belt/chain. >>There's not much on the list it doesn't cover except normal wear items >>like >>brakes and belts. > > I take it you mean extended *warranty*. > It's actually a third party service plan purchased with the used vehicle. I > rekon you could call it what you want. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. Back to the windshield. Did you check your comprehensive insurance. Mine covers glass with zero deductible. While changing a wiper blade, I let the wiper arm hit the windshield and is broke. I called the insurance company and they sent someone to my house to fix it the next day - at no cost to me. ya, i called my agent first to review my policy. it's a $1,000 deductible. the windshield was $208. It's done. and the car is at the saturn dealer now getting new timing chains and a cylinder head assembly for a $25 deductible. s >> It's actually a third party service plan purchased with the used vehicle. >> I [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > insurance company and they sent someone to my house to fix it the next > day - at no cost to me. haven't got it moved from the gmc dealer to the saturn dealer yet. Yes, my extended policy covers the engine. Will update in a few days. s > Yikes! How much damage was done to the motor and will your insurance cover > it? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> s Had it towed in to the saturn dealer. They confirmed the broken chain diag. They proceeded to further inspect the upper end for valve damage and found 4 bent valves. They then proceeded to install a remanufactured head and new timing chain. They called me today to tell me they got it running, and were test driving it when one of the valves in the newly remanufactured head 'fell in' and proceeded to destroy the entire engine. SATURN (not my third party agreement) is now paying to install a new complete engine assembly. They'll call when it's done. s > 70 mph, speed control on, just laid down like you turned the key off. > Wouldn't restart. Cranks ok. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > steve barker GEEZ!! You are one lucky guy. Go buy a lottery ticket on the way home... Don't you just hate it when a valve keeper lets go and the entire valve gets sucked into the cylinder? > Had it towed in to the saturn dealer. They confirmed the broken chain > diag. They proceeded to further inspect the upper end for valve damage and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> steve barker they had called me on saturday to tell me it wouldn't be ready cause 'they're having compression issues'. I wonder if the head came with a broken spring they overlooked or something? and don't worry, i always buy powerball tickets. I'm not one of those who couldn't do with just 10 million and wait until it's much higher to buy. I support the lottery faithfully for $2 each and every wednesday and saturday. steve > GEEZ!! You are one lucky guy. Go buy a lottery ticket on the way home... > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> >>> steve barker |
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