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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / April 2005I hate Body work
I'm getting better at it though. <g> I figured I'd save to 3-4 K to strip and paint the green wrapper and I'm getting the hang of it. The key seems to be patience, I've spent maybe 6 hours on the dent lid. It seems even a straight car that's never been painted still needs lot of spot filler and blocking. Even the factory used putty here and there. I invested in a $50 set of rubber sanding blocks that will sand everything. It has long blocks, short ones, thin ones, even a round one. I stocked up on lots of good sand paper and will just plug along until it's done. BTW, is the self etching primer weatherproof for the few weeks this is going to take. JP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 55 Speedster 50 2R 10 truck > I'm getting better at it though. <g> I figured I'd save to 3-4 K to > strip and paint the green wrapper and I'm getting the hang of it. The [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > until it's done. BTW, is the self etching primer weatherproof for the > few weeks this is going to take. If it is epoxy, yes. epoxy primer is just as good as paint in terms of protecting the sheetmetal. nate  Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel I don't think it is, the stuff with the activator goes on next. >> I'm getting better at it though. <g> I figured I'd save to 3-4 K to >> strip and paint the green wrapper and I'm getting the hang of it. The [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > nate SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 55 Speedster 50 2R 10 truck I could never do it every day,but I can really get into it on a car I like.Steady, honest work that shows up in the end(specially if you paint them all black) >I don't think it is, the stuff with the activator goes on next. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> nate Etching primer will last about 6 mo outside exposed to the elements.(I know this to be a FACT <G>).. It will last ALOT longer if the (urethane) high-build is put on over it. If you plan on using laquer-primer-surfacer, it won't help the longevity. But you'll have a few weeks anyway... For stripping a car manually- nothing works better than an 8" DA "Mud Hog" with 40 grit sandpaper. I usually use a double-layer of duct-tape over all the door/fender and hood gaps (and trim holes)- then use aircraft stripper. UNLESS- the car has been painted with Laquer at any time... The laquer just liquifies and makes an awful mess. The wide panels of the roof, decklid, and hood can be scraped very easily with a razor-blade. Remove the tape, follow up with a vinegar bath, and then sand up to the gaps with 80 grit- and you're done. Ray > I'm getting better at it though. <g> I figured I'd save to 3-4 K to > strip and paint the green wrapper and I'm getting the hang of it. The [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > 55 Speedster > 50 2R 10 truck I intend to cover the self etching stuff with the 3 part urethane sandable primer. I 'might' top that with lacquer primer if I need more fill. (unless you advise otherwise) > Etching primer will last about 6 mo outside exposed to the elements.(I > know this to be a FACT <G>).. It will last ALOT longer if the (urethane) [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> 55 Speedster >> 50 2R 10 truck SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 55 Speedster 50 2R 10 truck Don't use lacquer primer! If you want an inexpensive high build Euro type primer, try the Marhyde brand. It builds like crazy and sands easy. You can go down to final sand with it. Shrinkage is minimal. We've been using it for about years. Use to use PPG's 2K. BTW, if you use Studmans mud hog method, go back over the metal with 100 grit to remove the heavy scratches. I'm paranoid about corrosion even though we use an acid activated wash prime. > I intend to cover the self etching stuff with the 3 part urethane > sandable primer. I 'might' top that with lacquer primer if I need more [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >> 55 Speedster > >> 50 2R 10 truck Dexter... I forgot to add the part about sanding with 80 Grit next.... thanx... I always prime immediately with epoxy.. Ray > Don't use lacquer primer! If you want an inexpensive high build Euro type > primer, try the Marhyde brand. It builds like crazy and sands easy. You [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >>>>55 Speedster >>>>50 2R 10 truck Urethane ONLY.. It fills better and sands easier, and really isn't that much more $$$$ Ray > I intend to cover the self etching stuff with the 3 part urethane > sandable primer. I 'might' top that with lacquer primer if I need more [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >>> 55 Speedster >>> 50 2R 10 truck Please explain the purpose od the "vinegar bath"!! > Etching primer will last about 6 mo outside exposed to the elements.(I > know this to be a FACT <G>).. It will last ALOT longer if the (urethane) [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > 55 Speedster > > 50 2R 10 truck I pour straight vinegar on the car, and wash it around with a red scotchbrite pad. Then I rinse the whole car off with water. Remove the tape, and re-sand with 80 grit, Blow/wipe off the excess dust, and epoxy prime immediately. The vinegar helps nuetralize and remove the stripper. Ray > Please explain the purpose od the "vinegar bath"!! > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >>>55 Speedster >>>50 2R 10 truck I know it's slow, but I'm D-A-ing the whole car. (The dry Arizona paint comes off pretty easy.) > I pour straight vinegar on the car, and wash it around with a red > scotchbrite pad. Then I rinse the whole car off with water. Remove the [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>>> 55 Speedster >>>> 50 2R 10 truck SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 55 Speedster 50 2R 10 truck Whatever floats yer... er... trips yer...er..... strips yer Studie? Ray > I know it's slow, but I'm D-A-ing the whole car. (The dry Arizona paint > comes off pretty easy.) [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >>>>> 55 Speedster >>>>> 50 2R 10 truck I was stupid enough to think a dent free car with factory paint would not have any filler. Should I expect to find a little everywhere, or just the hood and trunk ? Dennis says they used it because of the piss poor stocking of the sheet metal and some die marks. > Whatever floats yer... er... trips yer...er..... strips yer Studie? > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >>>>>> 55 Speedster >>>>>> 50 2R 10 truck SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 55 Speedster 50 2R 10 truck AHHH hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! (sorry... I love it when people realize there's more to this job- and it's not always "that easy"..) Ray (lost his a.s a few times thinking- "Oh, this'll be easy...") > I was stupid enough to think a dent free car with factory paint would > not have any filler. Should I expect to find a little everywhere, or > just the hood and trunk ? Dennis says they used it because of the piss > poor stocking of the sheet metal and some die marks. If I get this done with under 80-100 hours of labor, I'll be surprised. Might take you half that, but I've only painted a half dozen cars. The good news, I bought a lot of neat tools I can use for the nest one. > AHHH hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! > (sorry... I love it when people realize there's more to this job- and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> just the hood and trunk ? Dennis says they used it because of the piss >> poor stocking of the sheet metal and some die marks. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 Challenger (Green Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 55 Speedster 50 2R 10 truck I didn't keep track on the Stude but I did a complete strip, prime, straighten and apply and color sand a lacquer paint job on a 78 Cadillac Seville and it took me 210 hours. > If I get this done with under 80-100 hours of labor, I'll be > surprised. Might take you half that, but I've only painted a half [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> because of the piss poor stocking of the sheet metal and some die >>> marks. Ray, Yep, been there, done that! I am about ready to prime my 62 ragtop to do the final block. I have it blocked with 150, need to do the 2 part seam sealer on the 1/4's and seams. This is the one I bought off eBay last year, that the PO, had "just finished all the body work and had fresh paint on it" doesn't have any paint anymore! <G> and 3/4 of the "bondo" is now gone too, I also cut off his "new" rockers, recut the "new floor" pulled the body back so the doors had real metal gaps, (not 1 inch of bondo to make a gap) Now she's about ready for some color, which the paint store I deal with is donating, (helps to buy 15-16K in materials a month too)<G> It will be DuPont BC/CC Still debating if I'm going to make it a "pace car" clone, if I do, the lettering will be painted on, and clear coated over, color sanded and buffed so no edge will be felt, but, since I plan on selling the car, I may not do that. Jim Turner > AHHH hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! > (sorry... I love it when people realize there's more to this job- and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > just the hood and trunk ? Dennis says they used it because of the piss > > poor stocking of the sheet metal and some die marks. Talk to Lee DeLaBarre about the lettering, I think he said they used the "negative" of some vinyl letters for a template... probably alot cheaper than finding a sign painter who could do it freehand. Lee > Ray, > Yep, been there, done that! I am about ready to prime my 62 ragtop to do [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> > just the hood and trunk ? Dennis says they used it because of the piss >> > poor stocking of the sheet metal and some die marks. I have been trying to catch up with my painter to get another set of templates for the letters but he has been busy and I have not caught him in the shop. >Talk to Lee DeLaBarre about the lettering, I think he said they used the >"negative" of some vinyl letters for a template... probably alot cheaper [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>> > just the hood and trunk ? Dennis says they used it because of the piss >>> > poor stocking of the sheet metal and some die marks. Lee DeLaBarre Daytona62 << I love it when people realize there's more to this job- and it's not always "that easy">> So true! An old body-knocker pal says if it WERE easy, everybody'd be fixing their own and body shops would be out of business. >>>not have any filler. Should I expect to find a little everywhere, or >>>just the hood and trunk ? Dennis says they used it because of the piss >>>poor stocking of the sheet metal and some die marks. When taking inventory of the parts that came with the convertible, some parts would be considered b todays standards as harder to find than hens teeth. I got two brand new cosmetic pieces of sheet metal which are the door pillars on 47-52 everything. In preping them i found that they both had archeological deposits of lead, used by the fctor to make them look straight. Even today when you watch cars being made ou will find instances where lead or filler is applied. Which brings me to this cute story. On the way home from DC we stopped to take some relief. As Ellen was backing out, the Navigator caame to a halt and the horrible sound of a thump. Some guy decided he could get around us before we macked out fully. From drivers door to tail light his car is totally wrecked, needs center door post, rear door, rear quarter, trunk and rear end. Damage to 'gator a tear in the plastic rear bumper in the corner. As of now our bill for the bumper is $932, I would guesstimate almost 7 times that for the malibu. State Trooper could not figure out how to write up this one. BG You are in for an insurance treat- My company FXXked us when the same thing happenned to My Sweet Patootie a few years ago. Not our fault and my bill still went up. I switched companies right away. Mark (ouch) Dunning >>>>not have any filler. Should I expect to find a little everywhere, or >>>>just the hood and trunk ? Dennis says they used it because of the piss [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > BG |
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