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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / April 2005OT - Windoze XP question
Sounds like I will have to "upgrade" to Windows XP in order to accomodate changes in a database/comms program that I am required to use for work. Has anybody here done an install of XP over Win98 in an existing computer? Any pitfalls to watch for? Do the current install discs for XP include the latest service packs, or does one still have to go to the MS website right away to patch the damn thing? Gord Richmond I don't think you can install XP "over" Win98. Win 98 is Fat32, and XP works better using the NT file system... (though I see you have a choice) I would back up all my data to CDs, and then format the harddrive. I don't like how XP formats, so I use a Win98 boot disk to get to a DOS prompt (a:).. "Then type FORMAT C: /u" there is a space between FORMAT and C:, and another space between C: and /u. What this switch is- an UNCONDITIONAL FORMAT of c-drive. This wipes the drive perfectly clean. Then I'll run FDISK to partition the harddrive. I'm used to doing it, but the WinXP disk also allows you to create partitions. Once they are created, and "C" drive is made active.. you can format the drive to NT File System.. and continue to load XP. I like to partition the drive at least 25% or over 5GB. This is usually enough space to totally back-up the C-Drive, in case you have to re-format. You can just drag/drop all the files into "D-Drive"(very fast), then format C again, and reload your programs. XP will need updating IMMEDIATELY. Ray > Sounds like I will have to "upgrade" to Windows XP in order to > accomodate changes in a database/comms program that I am required to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Gord Richmond I would just back up my files, and do a clean install of XP... alot less hassles that way. Make sure your PC can handle XP, it's alot bigger and more of a memory hog than 98. I wouldn't attempt to run it with anything less than 256MB of RAM... I'd recommend a minimum of 512MB. If you haven't rebuilt your PC since running 98, it's probably time to do a fresh install of the operating system and any programs you're using... kind of a rule of thumb I go by is to do a clean install every 2-3 years. If you get a new version of XP it will probably come with Service Pack 2, if not you'll have to download it from their website. Hope you have high-speed internet access because this will take a week to download over a modem. You could always have someone download it and burn it to a CD for you. Lee > Sounds like I will have to "upgrade" to Windows XP in order to > accomodate changes in a database/comms program that I am required to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Gord Richmond If you are networking specially with a server. . . do not get XP Home version. . . because you will have to up grade again to XP Professional for networking and other capabilities and for another $200 bucks it's cheaper to do it all at once. And watch and make sure check for updates for your drivers so they work on XP Pro service pack 2. Rick Courtier > Sounds like I will have to "upgrade" to Windows XP in order to > accomodate changes in a database/comms program that I am required to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Gord Richmond > Sounds like I will have to "upgrade" to Windows XP in order to > accomodate changes in a database/comms program that I am required to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > or does one still have to go to the MS website right away to patch the > damn thing? Haven't done the XP over 98SE, but my son did with no problems. If you don't get Service Pack 2 with your upgrade, I recommend going to the MS website and ordering SP2 on a CD. It is a long download, especially if you are on dial-up. With the CD you can install it quickly and easily. I like XP much better than 98SE. It is more forgiving and is sort of self-healing (no more blue screen error messages). SP2 gives you a firewall and anti-pop-up. It can be a little bothersome at times, but (knock on wood), I haven't had any problems with it. 98SE wasn't bad, but ME was horrible. Paul Johnson Also be aware that some older programs will NOT work with XP. Some older Hardware won't either.. Things like scanners, printers, etc.. sometimes won't work, and they don't have drivers written for XP from the manufacturers. Ray > Sounds like I will have to "upgrade" to Windows XP in order to > accomodate changes in a database/comms program that I am required to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Gord Richmond Just make sure to run the compatibility program...and pay attention to it. I like XP a lot.... It works ok. Updates too (automatic). When I mork it up, I 'system restore' to a few days earlier, and read up on my screw-up <g>.. And make sure you back up your Outlook Express mailbox address book. Jeff (Mine disappeared, losing tens of thousands of useless e-mail addresses <lol>) Rice "Studeman" wrote:.. > Also be aware that some older programs will NOT work with XP. Some older > Hardware won't either.. Things like scanners, printers, etc.. sometimes [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> Gord Richmond Jeff How do get spell check to work in Outlook Express with Microsoft Works using XP operating system??? I was told it ain't gonna happen. Is this true?? Ron > Just make sure to run the compatibility program...and pay attention to it. > I like XP a lot.... It works ok. Updates too (automatic). [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >>> >>> Gord Richmond Click on the Spell Check button. Lee > Jeff > How do get spell check to work in Outlook Express with Microsoft Works > using XP operating system??? I was told it ain't gonna happen. Is this > true?? > Ron I have MS Word Professional, so it must have something different than Works... Jeff (Works is the Scotsman of the Microsoft world <g>) Rice "Ron Butts" wrotet... > Jeff > How do get spell check to work in Outlook Express with Microsoft Works > using XP operating system??? I was told it ain't gonna happen. Is this > true?? > Ron > "Jeff Rice" wrote... >> Just make sure to run the compatibility program...and pay attention to [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>>> >>>> Gord Richmond I believe the spell check in Outlook Express uses the spell checker built into Word, so if you don't have Word the spell checker won't work. Jeff DeWitt Ron Butts wrote: > Jeff > How do get spell check to work in Outlook Express with Microsoft Works using [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>>> >>>>Gord Richmond Jeff, I don't use OE or IE. They won't last any longer than it takes me to toast them out of the new install. Gord Richmond Unless the hardware is recent vintage, I would just buy a another box w/ current guts. Time spent boinking around trying to mix new OS with old hardware is not time well spent IMHO. Mark (Picky about how I waste my time) Dunning > Sounds like I will have to "upgrade" to Windows XP in order to > accomodate changes in a database/comms program that I am required to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Gord Richmond >>Has anybody here done an install of XP over Win98 in an existing >>computer? Any pitfalls to watch for? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >>Gord Richmond We "tried" it, but computer ( four yrs old) was too old for XP, not enough HD space, which could be fixed, wrong processor which could not be fixed, and some other problems.. Bill Mark, Hardware is newer than Win XP by a couple of years. AMD Duron 2.1 GHz processor, and 512 Meg RAM, 40 Gig HD. I got the XP disc today. I'm going to install a second HD, backup the old OS and all programs and data to it, so as to have a clone drive, and then install XP OVER the Win 98 in ONE of the drives. If it doesn't install cleanly, I can format the drive, and do an install from square one. Either way, I have protected my present OS and data. Gord Richmond Gord, XP supports Dual-Boot. I would get a new Harddrive as they have come down alot in price, Make the new drive the "Master" and set your old drive to "Slave". Then install XP to the new drive. You can load whatever programs you wish on the new drive, and then remove them from the slave drive. You can keep all your data on the old drive-just in case- When you boot the machine, it will ask you what drive to boot to...but will default to the XP drive if you don't push any buttons. Ray > Mark, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Gord Richmond Since you guys have pissed Studegary off and he hasn't been here since February to correct all our spelling, I want to take this opportunity to say. There's no such word as 'ALOT'. That's two words, quit joining them together. <G>  Signaturethanks, Jerry Forrester remove 'no spam' to respond > Gord, > XP supports Dual-Boot. I would get a new Harddrive as they have come [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > > > Gord Richmond Thanks alot Jerry. Lee > Since you guys have pissed Studegary off and he hasn't been here since > February to correct all our spelling, I want to take this opportunity to > say. There's no such word as 'ALOT'. That's two words, quit joining them > together. <G> jus doin my part. <G> Signaturethanks, Jerry Forrester remove 'no spam' to respond > Thanks alot Jerry. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > say. There's no such word as 'ALOT'. That's two words, quit joining them > > together. <G> On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:49:58 GMT, you wrote: >I got the XP disc today. I'm going to install a second HD, backup the >old OS and all programs and data to it, so as to have a clone drive, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Gord Richmond if you got a FULL XP, and not the UPDATE, dont even bother, erase, format and reload.. the problem seems to come in 'later'.. then you will end up reloading AGAIN. --Shiva-- > Sounds like I will have to "upgrade" to Windows XP in order to > accomodate changes in a database/comms program that I am required to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > or does one still have to go to the MS website right away to patch the > damn thing? Haven't done the XP over 98SE, but my son did with no problems. If you don't get Service Pack 2 with your upgrade, I recommend going to the MS website and ordering SP2 on a CD. It is a long download, especially if you are on dial-up. With the CD you can install it quickly and easily. I like XP much better than 98SE. It is more forgiving and is sort of self-healing (no more blue screen error messages). SP2 gives you a firewall and anti-pop-up. It can be a little bothersome at times, but (knock on wood), I haven't had any problems with it. 98SE wasn't bad, but ME was horrible. Paul Johnson I put SP2 on my debranded HP with XP-Home and the thing basically went to Hell. It would freeze up, reboot with no warning, and just generally behave very badly. I uninstalled SP2 and it started working just fine again. One of Microsofts recommendations is that your systems BIOS be at the latest level, and I expect mine is not but since it's debranded that makes flashing it a challenge. Jeff DeWitt >>Sounds like I will have to "upgrade" to Windows XP in order to >>accomodate changes in a database/comms program that I am required to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > haven't had any problems with it. 98SE wasn't bad, but ME was horrible. > Paul Johnson > Sounds like I will have to "upgrade" to Windows XP in order to > accomodate changes in a database/comms program that I am required to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > or does one still have to go to the MS website right away to patch the > damn thing? Haven't done the XP over 98SE, but my son did with no problems. If you don't get Service Pack 2 with your upgrade, I recommend going to the MS website and ordering SP2 on a CD. It is a long download, especially if you are on dial-up. With the CD you can install it quickly and easily. I like XP much better than 98SE. It is more forgiving and is sort of self-healing (no more blue screen error messages). SP2 gives you a firewall and anti-pop-up. It can be a little bothersome at times, but (knock on wood), I haven't had any problems with it. 98SE wasn't bad, but ME was horrible. Paul Johnson Well, I got the disc the other day; XP pro, with SP2 included. Since XP is supposed to support dual boot, I decided to install it on a brand new 40 gig hard drive I had on hand. Would not install; it could not access the drive. Tried several times. Took the XP CD out, and tried using an old Win98 boot disc to access the drive and partition it by using DOS. No joy, it could not access the drive. Didn't matter how I set the jumper, either. So, I tried the drive in an old P233 box I have here. Again, the boot disc could partition the drive using the FDISK command from the DOS prompt. I'm pretty certain I have a bad drive, brand new in the box. GRRRR! Gord Richmond Perhaps you guys should just suck it up and buy and Mac mini for $499 and be done with these problems! SignatureDan White '64 R1 '64 R2 '55 E38 Mac is not an option. The software that I have to use for work simply does not come in a Mac version, and it's several programs, not just one. Gord Richmond Microsoft makes an emulator, Virtual PC that lets you run Windows on a Mac. It might work for what you do. SignatureDan White '64 R1 '64 R2 '55 E38 Yes, an emulator will run... but so will buying a screwdriver, grinding the blade down to an edge and then using it as a chisel... why not just buy a chisel in the first place? Lee > Microsoft makes an emulator, Virtual PC that lets you run Windows on a > Mac. It might work for what you do. Neat little box, and I hope Apple sells a bunch of them, but it's still not a lot of computer for $500 compared to the PC you can buy for the same money. Jeff DeWitt > Perhaps you guys should just suck it up and buy and Mac mini for $499 > and be done with these problems! Depends on what you want. Ease of use, no viruses or spyware, reliablity.............! Some of the reviews have shown it can hold its own. I have a Mac server running in my office that has been running non-stop for 10 years. SignatureDan White '64 R1 '64 R2 '55 E38 I'm not going to get into the Mac/PC argument, like I say I hope Apple sells a boatload of those things, the best thing that could happen for Windows is some good competition. It's just that when people buy one of those units they need to understand what they are getting, and it's going to need things a $500 PC would already have. Jeff DeWitt > Depends on what you want. Ease of use, no viruses or spyware, > reliablity.............! Some of the reviews have shown it can hold its > own. I have a Mac server running in my office that has been running > non-stop for 10 years. On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 04:44:15 GMT, you wrote: >I'm pretty certain I have a bad drive, brand new in the box. GRRRR! > >Gord Richmond was it a WD? --Shiva-- Seagate, actually. I bought it months ago, and never installed it. It will be interesting to see what happens when I take it back to the dealer. <G> Gord Richmond On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:48:26 GMT, you wrote: >Seagate, actually. > >I bought it months ago, and never installed it. It will be interesting >to see what happens when I take it back to the dealer. <G> > >Gord Richmond friend had a WD that several people tried to format for him-it refused..played with it for 3 months before it took.. --Shiva-- Gord, How "old" is the drive that is in the machine? If it's more than 3-years, it probably uses a 40-thread HD cable instead of the newer 80. The 2 aren't compatable. I haven't tried using an older HD with the newer cable. Try switching the HD cable in the machine, with the one that came with the new HD. Ray > Well, > I got the disc the other day; XP pro, with SP2 included. Since XP is [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Gord Richmond The new HD has only a 40-pin socket for the ribbon cable, same as the old one. Computer "sees" the drive, but cannot access it. Gord Richmond The socket IS the same... the cable isn't.. I don't know what the difference is... or how your computer tells them apart... Ray > The new HD has only a 40-pin socket for the ribbon cable, same as the > old one. > > Computer "sees" the drive, but cannot access it. > > Gord Richmond On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:55:16 GMT, you wrote: >The socket IS the same... the cable isn't.. I don't know what the >difference is... or how your computer tells them apart... > >Ray 40 wires vs 80 wires in the cable.. --Shiva-- Looks like I have the 80-thread cable in my PC. It has a gray plug (slave) and a black plug (master). But the problem WAS apparently a bad drive. Took it into the shop where I bought it, and they couldn't get it working either. So they swapped straight across for an 80 GB drive. Can't fault their customer service one bit! Gord Richmond |
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