> I've been toying with the idea of installing an electric fan on my '64 GT
> Hawk for some time now and finally bought one at Spring Carlisle last month.
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> Randy
I just got a call from Scott Stastny of Deluxe Autowerks in West
Chicago Ill.
He had been working on a 1953 Hardtop with a 1963 drive train that
constantly overheated when idling. Scott is the Stude expert in the
Chicago area and is the best mechanic I have ever met.
He used modeling clay and found that there was .128" clearance between
the impeller and housing.
He scrounged up a N.O.S. pump and found that that pump only had .020 "
clearance between the housing and impeller
He took a good look at the waterpump on the car and noted that the
impeller was much smaller than the N.O.S. pump and of a different
design with smaller impeller blades.
The repops are supplied with a much thicker gasket and that adds to the
clearance problems.
The pump in the car was not pumping enough water through the engine.
This is especially bad at idle.
These are repops sold by various vendors.
The casting number on the repop was 527070 which is the same as the
N.O.S. pump but the letters are 5/15" high and on the N.O.S. pump the
letters of the casting number were 1/4" high.
Service letter S -1048 dated July 10 1962 states that the distance
between the mounting flange and the outer tip of the impeller should be
.938" but on the repop that distance was only .834.
The fastest way to recognize the repop is that the hub where the
fanblade bolts to is .280 thick and fully machined.
The N.O.S. pump has a .230" hubflange and is sheared and rough on the
edge.
He found an other repop that has the exact same dimensions as the
N.O.S. pump and is of identical design.
There may be a bad batch of pumps out there.
Installing the N.O.S. pump solved the overheating problem on the '53.
I noticed a discusion on overheating in "Turning Wheels" and this may
help.
bill glasss - 17 May 2005 04:42 GMT
>>I've been toying with the idea of installing an electric fan on my '64 GT
>>Hawk for some time now and finally bought one at Spring Carlisle last month.
>>In general, I don't have an overheating problem but the car does run a
If this was a flat head 6 cylinder that
had an overheating problem could be
blamed on a totally overlooked issue.
The old flat heads used on the bigger
engines used a water tube that directed
the water to the rear cyinders before
releasing the "colder" water. These long
tubes sit inside the block just behind
the water pump. One problem with them is
that over the years they actually self
destruct. They are made out of copper,
and the engine is iron, and the coolant
when added starts to eat the tubes via
electrolosys if thats the term.
Billy G
Oujdeivß - 17 May 2005 05:20 GMT
How do you get those things out, the one in my 245.6 is in pretty bad shape.
>>> I've been toying with the idea of installing an electric fan on my
>>> '64 GT Hawk for some time now and finally bought one at Spring
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>
> Billy G

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Paul V - 20 May 2005 06:35 GMT
You should be able to wiggle it and it might come out in one piece. If
memory serves me correctly the tube is actually bent from sheet stock and
holes punched in it for directed water delivery. A better replacement
material might be 304 stainless steel.
Paul V
> How do you get those things out, the one in my 245.6 is in pretty bad
> shape.
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>> Billy G
Jeff Rice - 17 May 2005 13:28 GMT
Good info Robert!
Scott's been busting butt on Stude's up there for a long, long time.
Good to hear he's still thrashing.
Also good to see someone not accept everything as gospel when it comes to
parts and why they work (or don't work).
Jeff
PS: Thanks for the manifolds! Hope you enjoy yours!
"Robert Kapteyn" wrote...
>> Randy
> I just got a call from Scott Stastny of Deluxe Autowerks in West
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> I noticed a discusion on overheating in "Turning Wheels" and this may
> help.
Electric fan are always more efficient pulling rather that pushing.
mount it up close to the radiator.
> I've been toying with the idea of installing an electric fan on my '64
> GT Hawk for some time now and finally bought one at Spring Carlisle
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> Thanks,
> Randy Ridenour
oldcarfart - 17 May 2005 14:01 GMT
sucking works best for me (with fans too!) and make sure you use a
relay to keep electrical load off switch and a thermostat control (I
use 1978 OMNI/HORIZON switch) so it goes on automatically if you have
your head up you a.s (BTDT)
Randy Ridenour - 17 May 2005 23:42 GMT
Thanks for the help everyone. Looks like I'll mount it behind the radiator
and will use a relay to turn it on and off.
Randy
> sucking works best for me (with fans too!) and make sure you use a
> relay to keep electrical load off switch and a thermostat control (I
> use 1978 OMNI/HORIZON switch) so it goes on automatically if you have
> your head up you a.s (BTDT)
midlant@earthlink.net - 18 May 2005 00:50 GMT
I never bothered to put in a thermal switch and ran one for years in
San Jose.
In traffic when the AC is on, you have to be more alert.
I had two AC cars rigged this way and never head an overheat - although
I did utrn off the AC when climbing hills in hot weather.
Maybe that's why I watch the gauges more than the average person!
Karl