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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / June 2005

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Mark Anderson - 30 Jun 2005 13:37 GMT
This car (at least by all outward appearances) is a 64.  How do these end up
with 63 Vin plates and body tags?

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Jeff Rice - 30 Jun 2005 14:19 GMT
Well,
Growing up in the fifties and sixties I always remembered the dealers
promoting the 'new and improved' models starting right after labor
day....and then the sales to sell off the 'last years models' right around
the same time...
My father would always buy a car that was new, but considered to be 'last
years model'...
But I also remember when the new TV shows came out after labor day and ran
through the holiday season,
and then it was re-runs the first part of the year...
Jeff ( Carnauba waxing nostalgic..) Rice

"Mark Anderson" wrote...
> This car (at least by all outward appearances) is a 64.  How do these end
> up with 63 Vin plates and body tags?
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4559152903&ca
tegory=6466
Mark Anderson - 30 Jun 2005 14:27 GMT
Yeah, but a car that was a 1964 model (even if it was sold and built in
1963) wouldn't have 63 body tags?

Or would it?

Mark
> Well,
> Growing up in the fifties and sixties I always remembered the dealers
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>> up with 63 Vin plates and body tags?
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4559152903&ca
tegory=6466
1949commander - 30 Jun 2005 16:57 GMT
Well it could be a 63 model that the factory converted to 64 style in
hopes they could get rid of the extra 63's. I know that fall of 63 when
Stude started production of 64 models in south bend, they still had
lots of 63's they hadn't sold to dealers yet. It could be that they
converted some to 64 type styling but had to leave 63 S/N since the S/N
was also stamped in the frame on some cars. It also could have been a
dealer left with too many 63 style cars and he retrofited the 64 parts
onto a 63.  Maybe the car was in a fender bender and the dealer just
updated the car for the customer. It was desparate times for Stude
during the Fall of 63.
Mark Anderson - 30 Jun 2005 17:58 GMT
Yeah, but the dash has been switched out also.  That would have been a lot
of trouble for little gain.
> Well it could be a 63 model that the factory converted to 64 style in
> hopes they could get rid of the extra 63's. I know that fall of 63 when
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> updated the car for the customer. It was desparate times for Stude
> during the Fall of 63.
transtar60 - 30 Jun 2005 17:59 GMT
Not to mention the roof and back window.

> Yeah, but the dash has been switched out also.  That would have been a lot
> of trouble for little gain.
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>>updated the car for the customer. It was desparate times for Stude
>>during the Fall of 63.
transtar60 - 30 Jun 2005 17:11 GMT
Previous owner to the previous owner to the previous owner may have had
a vin plate and title for 63 and no title for the 64 and did the pop
rivet swap. Btw the roof line on the 63's is vastly different from the
64-66's so its not a matter of swapping fenders, hood and trunklids.

> This car (at least by all outward appearances) is a 64.  How do these end up
> with 63 Vin plates and body tags?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4559152903&ca
tegory=6466
Mark Anderson - 30 Jun 2005 18:01 GMT
Hadn't thought of that.  So, I'll call this a 64 no matter what the vin
says.
> Previous owner to the previous owner to the previous owner may have had a
> vin plate and title for 63 and no title for the 64 and did the pop rivet
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>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4559152903&ca
tegory=6466
L.D. - 30 Jun 2005 23:17 GMT
> Hadn't thought of that.  So, I'll call this a 64 no matter what the vin
> says.
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>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4559152903&ca
tegory=6466

Some states used to not issue titles until the vehicle was sold. I saw a
Cushman motor scooter that had a title 2 years after production ended.
It was simply in the dealers inventory for that time. It was well
documented as It came fron the original owner that had it for years and
records of registration. I also had a friend who worked for
International Harvester in the early 60's. Now this was a company store,
not a franchised dealer. They had vehicles not sold until well into the
next model year and they all got a year model of the year sold. In the
case of International, if a new model was sold before the end of the
year, that is what was on the title. Sooo there some that were actually,
for example, a 61 that could have a 60 title while another would have a
62 or later title depending on when it was sold.
I have seen quit a few vehicles from 50's & 60's where the vin didn't
match the year for the title and always suspected this is what happened.
Heck, I have a 1903 Oldsmobile replica, made in 1958 by Bliss that has
as 1902 Oldsmobile title. Now that is a different story but just shows
you can't always believe the title.
transtar60 - 30 Jun 2005 23:29 GMT
Yeah but LD, the problem in this instance  is the title and vin dont
match the car!

>> Hadn't thought of that.  So, I'll call this a 64 no matter what the
>> vin says.
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> as 1902 Oldsmobile title. Now that is a different story but just shows
> you can't always believe the title.
L.D. - 30 Jun 2005 23:41 GMT
Woaps, I should have read the post more closely.
Oh Well, Thats just my one track mind working
L.D.

> Yeah but LD, the problem in this instance  is the title and vin dont
> match the car!
 
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