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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / August 2005T85 Overdrive
Have a fellow that runs the Mexican Road Race and is looking for one of these to put in his Stude. Also needs a floor shifter. If anyone out there has either, let me know and I'll put you in touch with him. He is located in Pennsylvania. Ted > Have a fellow that runs the Mexican Road Race and is looking for one of > these to put in his Stude. Also needs a floor shifter. If anyone out > there has either, let me know and I'll put you in touch with him. He > is located in Pennsylvania. > > Ted Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of any floor shifter that will fit a T85/OD without some custom work on the bracket to clear the OD solenoid. I was investigating this on my 56J before I got distracted by a '55 coupe. just for curiosity's sake I'd love to hear more about this guy's project, it sounds like fun. I would love to do something like that someday! nate Hurst made a shifter installation kit for T- 85 OD's. I have just the mounting brackets - no arms or rods, which may be the same as 4 speed, T-10 parts for an application that used the rear mounting location on the tail shaft.. The brackets were bought for a '49 Lincoln OD that a friend used in his drag car 40 years ago, and are still on it. I'll take a look and see if the solenoid is; or if there is room for it. I'll be surprised if there isn't! Hopefully, neither one of us is confusing the T-85 with the T-89, which was a more popular Stude trans. A version of the T-85 was the Ford Interceptor trans. and pretty popular. The main case and side cover were adapted by Borg/Warner to make the T-10, 4 speed. Someone, (Beatty?), even made the parts to adapt the T-85 OD to the back of a 4 speed; but I don't know how many were sold. Mike M.. I wonder how that worked since one of the gears(4th?) on the T-10 seems to be in the extension housing??? The T-85C/T-89C(in truck use anyway) shared the same case(casting says T-85C ). Perhaps you were referring to the lighter duty T-86 which has a top cover. > Hurst made a shifter installation kit for T- 85 OD's. I have just the > mounting brackets - no arms or rods, which may be the same as 4 speed, T-10 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Mike M.. > Reverse, in a stock T-10, 4 speed, is in the tailshaft housing. The OD kit had a thick adaptor plate between the main case and T-85 OD unit, with the reverse sliding gear in it. The kit reached at least the prototype stages; and was written up in "Hot Rod", in the '60's. I don't remember seeing it advertised. Mike M. I have a Ford T-85 O.D. out of a 63 Ford NASCAR that I bought from Bob Patton about 1983 but I removed the overdrive to put it on a T-10 4 speed to make a 4 O.D. in my 63 Champ.The adapter I got from Tom Beatty. I turned Lional Stone on to Tom when he was closing up shop and Stone bought the molds and is still making the adapters. If the guy can find a R-11 O.D. I have the the rest of the pieces. You can catch me through the SDC forum as Alan. AJ A T-10 4 sp/od? You can do that? Dreams of overdrive in my Avanti...... <G> > I have a Ford T-85 O.D. out of a 63 Ford NASCAR that I bought from Bob > Patton about 1983 but I removed the overdrive to put it on a T-10 4 speed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > AJ  SignatureRemove all the x's to email. The only label that fits: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_6966.shtml "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ---Teddy Roosevelt, 1918 1953 Starlight Coupe 1954 Starlight Coupe R1/4-speed 1958 Silver Hawk 1960 Frua Italia Larks (2 - they're here!) 1962 Lark VI 1962 Lark Convertible 1963 Avanti R2 R4324 1963 Lark Cruiser (R2 3/4 clone in progress) 1963 GT Hawk 1963 Daytona Wagonaire 1964 Cruiser (Survivor) 1956 2E7 2004 Porsche Carrera 4S 2000 Ducati 748 2002 Jeep Overland 2004 Ducati Monster 1000 http://homepage.mac.com/pdrnec/PhotoAlbum81.html > A T-10 4 sp/od? You can do that? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > have the the rest of the pieces. You can catch me through the SDC forum as > > Alan. I'm with you Pat...I'm turning over 3 grand on the highway with my T-10 and 3.54 rear. I'd love to run some 411's and an OD in the T-10. What are the specifics on the T-10 OD conversion? -Dick- Lionel Stone has the whole kit including out put shaft but you have to supply the R-11 O.D. forget about it in an Avanti but the new Tremic 5 speeds bolt right up with a change in pilot bearings to the Chevy Stude housings that the T-10"s bolt up to. AJ Even if you could do the conversion, it won't fit with the X member frame. (Think 5 speed conversion) > A T-10 4 sp/od? You can do that? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> AJ SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 64 Challenger (Plain Wrapper ?) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk (on ebay) 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 54 Starlight(sold) 53 Starlight > Hurst made a shifter installation kit for T- 85 OD's. I have just the > mounting brackets - no arms or rods, which may be the same as 4 speed, T-10 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > know how many were sold. > Mike M.. Hmm! Learn something new every day. Yes I was definitely thinking T-85. I am guessing that Hurst no longer makes this kit? nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel I doubt it's still offered. There should be part #'s on the individual parts. Their kits were boxed up without shifters, which were somewhat interchangeable. When you bought a kit, the speed shop put the shifter in the box. I guess there was less money tied up in inventory that way, since the shifter was the expensive part.. I have an old "Synchroloc", (sp?), with rods for a light duty Ford OD, that I can provide with the T-85 brackets. Lord knows where all this would put the lever in a Stude. But the race car probably has bucket seats anyway. Mike M. > Hmm! Learn something new every day. Yes I was definitely thinking T-85. > I am guessing that Hurst no longer makes this kit? > > nate Mike, send me your number if you want and I'll pass it on to Bryan. Ted Mike, One of the swap vendors at the Spokane meet had an OD adaptor for the T10. Gord Richmond I have a floor shift conversion in my Champ that is hooked to a T-90. It works great! Many companies, including J.C. Whitney, used to sell these kits. Joe Roberts T-90 is a whole nother critter. Its part of the T-86 family of trannys. > I have a floor shift conversion in my Champ that is hooked to a T-90. > It works great! > Many companies, including J.C. Whitney, used to sell these kits. > Joe Roberts Rene` Harger has an aftermarket top shift (old) T85 setup. He's out of town until Monday, but you can give him a shout at his shop... Jeff <ted harbit wrote... > Have a fellow that runs the Mexican Road Race and is looking for one of > these to put in his Stude. Also needs a floor shifter. If anyone out > there has either, let me know and I'll put you in touch with him. He > is located in Pennsylvania. > > Ted I have a new-in-the-box Fenton shifter for those trannys that I got off ebay a little while back. Same exact one I used long ago in a galaxy far away on my supercharged 59 Hawk. They come up for sale from time to time but you have to look closely as ALL the Fentons won't work, only certain ones and I don't remember the numbers right offhand. Studebaker George I don't know if this one would work, but here is a shifter for three spd. T-85 w/side cover. Says it's for F***, but maybe it could be "adjusted" for Studes. Richard Lawler '57 1/2 ton Transtar '51 2dr Champion '87 Avanti Oops..... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-56-63-ford-T-85-3-speed-7116_W0QQcmdZViewItem QQcategoryZ34208QQitemZ4527348747QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V Richard Lawler '57 1/2 ton Transtar '51 2dr Champion '87 Avanti > Oops..... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > '51 2dr Champion > '87 Avanti That looks very, very cool, but I am unsure if it would work with an overdrive... the solenoid takes up the same real estate that it would be logical to use for the shifter... nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel George, if you want to sell it, send me your number and I'll pass it on to him. His name is Bryan Donovan. Ted Thanks Jeff. I'll pass it on to him. Is this the car that was on display in Charlotte last year? Joe Roberts No, the one in Charlotte last year was Gentry Zentmeyer from Virginia. Ted Ted, I have one of those 3 spd shifters. Mounting brackets, shift rods, lever plates. It says Indy H on it? I took it off a custom job a while back. Bo I have a 4 spd floor shifter, I believe to be a Hurst, or Indy. It says Indy H on the chrome part of the shifter. It has the adjustable mounting brackets for either T-86, or T-85/89. Shifting rods and shift lever adaptor plates. Bo > Have a fellow that runs the Mexican Road Race and is looking for one of > these to put in his Stude. Also needs a floor shifter. If anyone out > there has either, let me know and I'll put you in touch with him. He > is located in Pennsylvania. > > Ted Ooooops! I meant 3 spd shifter. Bo >I have a 4 spd floor shifter, I believe to be a Hurst, or Indy. It says >Indy H on the chrome part of the shifter. It has the adjustable mounting [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> Ted There was a story about this in July '85 TW. Written by Jim Geary. It wasn't completely successful. As I recall it worked okay except he burned up a couple units towing a travel trailer. The adapter came from Lionel Stone. That was 20 years ago! May not be available any longer. Lional Stone still has the stuff, I was over to his place to pick up some R-3 heads to work on for him just before Spokane but he said that since the Tremic 5 speeds were around for $1,500 there wasn't much call for the O.D. conversion and the big O.D. units are getting scarce. A.J. The only problem with a lot of Stones repo stuff is it doesn't fit. Anybody use one of these kits? How much are they? Bo (learned the hardway-can you guess?) > The only problem with a lot of Stones repo stuff is it doesn't fit. > Anybody use one of these kits? How much are they? > > Bo (learned the hardway-can you guess?) Have to call Stone at 1-818-990-8916 to find out the latest price I do so much work and trading with Stone when I tell someone what I paid the price in his latest catalogue is different. Sonny Josker has some pictures of the one I have in my 63 8E5112 Champ.Been using it behind a Avanti 2 327 with a turbo and have had no problens since 1980. Stop by the Monday or Thurs. chat and you can learn more. A.J. With the 4 speed OD kit, there were also special shafts, in addition to the adaptor that housed reverse. They may have been remachined B/W parts. If OD was disengaged, but not locked out; the unit free wheeled. That made shifting easier/faster. Mike M. |
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