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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / September 2005frustrating day
Found a tire store with an "old car guy" behind the counter, so I figured I'd try 'em out to see if I could get an alignment done on my '55 today, since it was spitting rain and generally just not looking to be a great day to be working outside. Well I took it up there and he was true to his word, I just gave him the alignment specs and he manually punched them into the rack, I gave the mechanic a quick instruction on exactly how to set the alignment on a Stude, and he got to it. Time passed... eventually he came up and asked me to look at the car, here he couldn't adjust the driver's side upper trunion. We both tried all of the hex drivers in his set that would fit through the grease fitting hole, no go. Told him I was sorry and didn't understand what the problem was, I didn't want to waste his time messing with it, I'd look at it and bring it back. anyone else ever run into this problem? this was one of the trunions I replaced... never thought to make sure the little hex was OK though. I guess I will have to get in there with a pick, and if I can't figure out what the problem is I'll have to take it apart again. 1/4" worked fine on the side I didn't replace. nate Happened to me once. I got charged for wasting the fellas time and had to go home and get my own allen wrench. Using my allen wrench he was able to turn it. I got charged twice. Now, I always have one with me that I know fits. Bo (what a bummer and out $34.00) > Happened to me once. I got charged for wasting the fellas time and had to > go home and get my own allen wrench. Using my allen wrench he was able to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Bo (what a bummer and out $34.00) Prices in your area are cheap, the mgr. cut me a deal because he liked my car, half price here is still more than $34. I thought about looking at it tonight but I'll leave it until I'm a little less frustrated. Working on a car in a bad mood is a good way to break stuff. nate  Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel Out of curiosity... Did the shafts get installed correctly? If you turn the shaft backwards... the "hex" isn't where it's supposed to be. Maybe he didn't remove the correct grease fitting? or only 1 fitting. Maybe the hex was under the other fitting. Ray >> Happened to me once. I got charged for wasting the fellas time and >> had to go home and get my own allen wrench. Using my allen wrench he [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > nate Good guess but the new bushings all have removable grease fittings. I'm 99% sure I put the hex toward the rear, but he tried both. nate > Out of curiosity... > Did the shafts get installed correctly? If you turn the shaft [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel Camber = iN at the top is Negative, it is one of those memory game items, in and negative both have "N's", just like Port and Left both have four letters, and always call a girl "baby" in the heat of passion so you don't screw up and ever use the wrong name! > Camber = iN at the top is Negative, it is one of those memory game > items, in and negative both have "N's", just like Port and Left both > have four letters, and always call a girl "baby" in the heat of passion > so you don't screw up and ever use the wrong name! Bad Boys Only Rape Young Girls but Voilet Gives Willingly... <G> JT > Bad Boys Only Rape Young Girls but Voilet Gives Willingly... > > <G> > > JT actually that is Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly (blk,brn,red,org,yel,grn,blu,vio,gry,wht) SignatureRobert W. Hughes (Bob) BackYard Engineering 29:40.237N, 95:28.726W or perhaps 30:55.265N, 95:20.590W Houston, Texas "The city with too much Oxygen" rwhughe@oplink.net > actually that is Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly > (blk,brn,red,org,yel,grn,blu,vio,gry,wht) I'm still confused. Lee >>actually that is Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly >>(blk,brn,red,org,yel,grn,blu,vio,gry,wht) > > I'm still confused. Resistor stripe color codes. nate (I always just use a meter, because I can never remember them when I want to.) Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel Ugly White Broads Render Groovy Orgasms. Color code for temperature ranges on fire sprinklers (:-) >>>actually that is Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly >>>(blk,brn,red,org,yel,grn,blu,vio,gry,wht) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (I always just use a meter, because I can never remember them when I want > to.) All right, you're going to have to explain... I follow most of that but what the heck color begins with "U"? nate (should probably learn this, as my new employer does suppression as well as detection) > Ugly White Broads Render Groovy Orgasms. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > replace "fly" with "com" to reply. > > http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel Umber? Karl Or the more PC version taught at Keesler AFB - "Biloxi Beer Rots Our Young Guts But Vodka Goes Well - Get Some!"(adds gold & silver for tolerance bands) > Ugly White Broads Render Groovy Orgasms. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>(I always just use a meter, because I can never remember them when I want >>to.) SignatureRemove all the x's to email. The only label that fits: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_6966.shtml "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ---Teddy Roosevelt, 1918 1953 Starlight Coupe 1954 Starlight Coupe R1/4-speed 1958 Silver Hawk 1960 Frua Italia Larks (2 - they're here!) 1962 Lark VI 1962 Lark Convertible 1963 Avanti R2 R4324 1963 Lark Cruiser (R2 3/4 clone in progress) 1963 GT Hawk 1963 Daytona Wagonaire 1964 Cruiser (Survivor) 1956 2E7 2004 Porsche Carrera 4S 2000 Ducati 748 2002 Jeep Overland 2004 Ducati Monster 1000 http://homepage.mac.com/pdrnec/PhotoAlbum81.html > Or the more PC version taught at Keesler AFB - "Biloxi Beer Rots Our > Young Guts But Vodka Goes Well - Get Some!"(adds gold & silver for > tolerance bands) Yeah, but it's Get, Some, Now. Gold, silver, and none, as in 5%, 10%, and 20% temperature tolerance. Ah hell, some things just stick with ya'! ROFL >>actually that is Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly >>(blk,brn,red,org,yel,grn,blu,vio,gry,wht) > > I'm still confused. > > Lee Electronic color code mnemonic which is outrageous enough to be easily memorable. blk=0, brn=1, red=2, etc up to wht=9. Curiously enough the colors are in spectral order. Check out a rainbow. SignatureRobert W. Hughes (Bob) BackYard Engineering 29:40.237N, 95:28.726W or perhaps 30:55.265N, 95:20.590W Houston, Texas "The city with too much Oxygen" rwhughe@oplink.net On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:02:19 GMT, you wrote: >Bad Boys Only Rape Young Girls but Voilet Gives Willingly... > ><G> > >JT oh yeah, one of THEM guys??? LOL oh for the days of tubes.. --Shiva-- > On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:02:19 GMT, you wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > --Shiva-- Ahhh...... To go back to the late fifties or early sixties political-wise... JT >> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 02:02:19 GMT, you wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > JT yeah, like that'll ever happen! :-@ > Camber = iN at the top is Negative, it is one of those memory game > items, in and negative both have "N's", just like Port and Left both > have four letters, and always call a girl "baby" in the heat of passion > so you don't screw up and ever use the wrong name! So having the camber set a little negative might actually help handling a little...? My instincts (such as they are) tell me that camber should be zero or slightly negative then, to help the car turn in quicker in corners, and also with power steering and radials I might want to shoot for zero or slightly positive caster, if that's possible, yes? I'm thinking that would make the car steer harder (like I care with PS) but also be more stable at speed. Good news is that my wheels have 1" offset which looks like it's good for the scrub radius for braking stability. It's probably not zero yet but closer to it than most Studes. Anyone with experience have some "revised" alignment specs for a Stude running radials? I have been told that at least caster should be different. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel My '53 hardtop has PS and a very light "blue oval" V6/AT. It has a stock suspension with a GT hawk front sway bar and '55 pres sedan rear bar. When I changed to the 6" rims this spring from the 5" stude ones I was using with 205 radials, it got darty on the highway. It was always sorta darty but got a lot worse. I cranked the upper pins 2 full turns to lean the kingpins toward the rear of the car more and it made a improvement for sure. I ASSume that the alignment shop that did the work on it after I rebuilt everything during the restoration had set it to "spec" but I have no way to tell. The PS and light drivetrain makes the car very easy steering (maybe too easy), yours with the V8 may not be so bad. Jeff > > Camber = iN at the top is Negative, it is one of those memory game > > items, in and negative both have "N's", just like Port and Left both [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > replace "fly" with "com" to reply. > http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel Thanks Jeff, that kinda confirms what I was thinking (two turns on the upper trunion should be one degree more positive caster.) Nice to hear that I'm not thinking of doing anything completely stupid :) nate > My '53 hardtop has PS and a very light "blue oval" V6/AT. It has a > stock suspension with a GT hawk front sway bar and '55 pres sedan rear [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > replace "fly" with "com" to reply. > > http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel All are different. When I took mine in for alighnment they didn't use the Studebaker specs at all. Now if you say that it isn't right, consider this; the Lark doesn't wander at all, it is not subject to the cross slope on the roads, I can steer it with one finger going down the road, I can actually let go of the steering wheel and it keeps going straight, apply the brakes and it stops straight, and tires are wearing evenly. And mine has shims at the rear of the lower control arm on both sides - just like it did when I got the car. Paul V >> Camber = iN at the top is Negative, it is one of those memory game >> items, in and negative both have "N's", just like Port and Left both [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > nate Sounds like something you get on your foot. Dave > Sounds like something you get on your foot. > > Dave That's what I've always heard the shafts at the outer pivots of the control arms called (the ones that thread into the steel bushings) nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > A pin or gudgeon, especially either of two small cylindrical projections on a cannon forming an axis on which it pivots. From the French[trognon,= stump.]<G> > Sounds like something you get on your foot. > > Dave Main Entry: trun·nion Pronunciation: 'tr&n-y&n Function: noun Etymology: French trognon core, stump : a pin or pivot on which something can be rotated or tilted; especially : either of two opposite gudgeons on which a cannon is swiveled (I just love a definition that includes another word I have no clue about) > Sounds like something you get on your foot. > > Dave SignatureRemove all the x's to email. The only label that fits: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_6966.shtml "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ---Teddy Roosevelt, 1918 1953 Starlight Coupe 1954 Starlight Coupe R1/4-speed 1958 Silver Hawk 1960 Frua Italia Larks (2 - they're here!) 1962 Lark VI 1962 Lark Convertible 1963 Avanti R2 R4324 1963 Lark Cruiser (R2 3/4 clone in progress) 1963 GT Hawk 1963 Daytona Wagonaire 1964 Cruiser (Survivor) 1956 2E7 2004 Porsche Carrera 4S 2000 Ducati 748 2002 Jeep Overland 2004 Ducati Monster 1000 http://homepage.mac.com/pdrnec/PhotoAlbum81.html Why don't you just borrow my caster camber gauge and turning plates and do it yourself. Jeff (You charge yourself a cheaper rate, don't you?) Rice "N8N" wrote... > Found a tire store with an "old car guy" behind the counter, so I > figured I'd try 'em out to see if I could get an alignment done on my [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > nate I may have to... I have a 50% chance of having the upper inners set correctly, and guessing from the one side the guy was able to adjust I think I have 'em set wrong :( When an alignment shop quotes camber in degrees, which direction is negative? Top of tire pointing in or out? Guy said limit of adjustment was a little hair negative camber. If I should flip the shafts I'd rather do it now so this doesn't turn into a three-trip job. nate > Why don't you just borrow my caster camber gauge and turning plates and do > it yourself. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >>nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
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