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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / August 2005Who wants to attempt
to educate this ebay rookie? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Studebaker-1960-Lark-Excellant-Overall-Conditon_W 0QQitemZ4571734583QQcategoryZ6466QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Dave Miller Webmaster & Chaplain So. Ga. SDC http://www.georgiastudebaker.com Didn't do a bit of good. He thinks the car is worth a fortune and it's about the only one left. Love that V6 engine, don't you? Bo It said "V" six???? HA! That show illustrates the lack of knowledge some have, and the evolution of car engines. I'd guess that there were NO V-6 blocks until the 80s. No there are NO straight-6 block that I can think of. Although GM DOES build a straight 5 cylinder, right? Dave > It said "V" six???? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'd guess that there were NO V-6 blocks until the 80s. Actually, GMC had a V-6 in the "60s (sometime) and Jeep used one in their second generation Jeepsters in the '60s. I think there were others, but I can't think of them right off hand. > No there are NO straight-6 block that I can think of. > Although GM DOES build a straight 5 cylinder, right? The straight five is an offshoot of the in-line six they developed for the GMC Encore in 2002 (still base engine- pretty neat with dohc, variable valve timing, something like 270 hp from 4.2 liters). BMW and Volvo also offer straight sixes. Paul Johnson I believe the Buick V-6 WAS the Jeep V-6. I had a '65 Buick Wagon with a V-6. Think they came out shortly before that. The old GMC "jimmy popper" 304 V-6 came out in the early sixties. What a hunk of...... The Buick V6 was the Jeep V6. GM sold the tooling to Kaiser Jeep in 65-66. Then after the gas crisis, GM bought it back. Jeep didnt really need it since they had all the V8 and inline sixes they needed. > I believe the Buick V-6 WAS the Jeep V-6. I had a '65 Buick Wagon with > a V-6. Think they came out shortly before that. The old GMC "jimmy > popper" 304 V-6 came out in the early sixties. What a hunk of...... kelmbaker@msn.com wrote: "I believe the Buick V-6 WAS the Jeep V-6. I had a '65 Buick Wagon with a V-6. Think they came out shortly before that." Yes, the Buick V6 had a long life (some of them were cast in aluminum - nice & light). After all the US companies were done with it, the tooling was sold to Rover - who needed a lightweight, powerful motor for their overseas models. Uhmm, I thought that was the 215 V-8???? The Buick V-6 is still very much in production for GM. Current size is the 3.8. It was the engine, Turbo'ed, in the Grand National. I think I remember it being a cut off Buick V-8, but that is just a impression from a long ago article in a Hot Rod mag, well might be faulty memory. The 215 was the engine developed for Harley Earl's show car (Y-job, LeSabre, ???? What was it?). I bet GM wishes they had it back. Great engine to swap into a small car. Think a MGB with a V-8 and a four speed.... > kelmbaker@msn.com wrote: > "I believe the Buick V-6 WAS the Jeep V-6. I had a '65 Buick Wagon with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > tooling was sold to Rover - who needed a lightweight, powerful motor > for their overseas models. Actually Rover bought the aluminum V8(215 cu in), the V6 still exists in much improved form as the 3800  SignatureRobert W. Hughes (Bob) BackYard Engineering 29:40.237N, 95:28.726W or perhaps 30:55.265N, 95:20.590W Houston, Texas "The city with too much Oxygen" rwhughe@oplink.net > kelmbaker@msn.com wrote: > "I believe the Buick V-6 WAS the Jeep V-6. I had a '65 Buick Wagon with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > tooling was sold to Rover - who needed a lightweight, powerful motor > for their overseas models. No, that's the aluminum V-8 that preceded it. The V-6 lives on to this day (in revised and refined form) as the GM 3800, which is probably the best engine they're making in terms of family hawlers. Same engine also formed the base for the Buick Grand National/GNX and Pontiac GTA, just so you know... nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >>It said "V" six???? >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > straight sixes. > Paul Johnson ITYM "Envoy" - forgot about that one. "Encore" was an even more forgettable Renault. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >> The straight five is an offshoot of the in-line six they developed for >> the GMC Encore in 2002 (still base engine- pretty neat with dohc, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > "Encore" was an even more forgettable Renault. Thanks. I knew better- really (not the first time I have misused names on the NG <G>). Paul Johnson > It said "V" six???? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'd guess that there were NO V-6 blocks until the 80s. Buick and GMC come to mind, but barring that you're mostly right. > No there are NO straight-6 block that I can think of. > Although GM DOES build a straight 5 cylinder, right? BMW still builds 'em, as well as Nissan (Skyline - regrettably not sold in the US) but sadly the rumored replacement for the Toyota Supra is said to have a V-6. Those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel No, actually the first and only Buick I ever owned in the early 70's had a 231 V6. It lasted about 6 months. Spun a main bearing at 55mph. After the hassles from GM, I've never bothered to buy another. Bo > It said "V" six???? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Dave re: US straight 6s still in production: Jeep 4.0 as still used in the Wrangler.....originally introduced as the Rambler Typhoon and variously produced as a 232,199,258 and now 240. main advantage (literally) of a straight 6 besides inherent balance, is capability to use 7 main bearings, like the Typhoon.......a good V6 is, what, 60 degrees to be in balance? and only 3 or 4 main bearings. as said, the ubiquitous GM 3800 goes back to the Buick Special of 1964 (I think) and has little in common with the 215 aluminum v8.......that was a nice little engine and a nice size for the GM compacts introduced in '61, but too small when they grew to mid-size for '64.....Buick was introducing their 300 iron v8 (later 330 and 350 - a miniature nailhead) and simply lopped 2 cylinders off for the v6. it was a real dog as it was a 90 degree block and woefully out of balance.....they had engine mounts about a a half foot thick and made out of Jello to try and absorb the shaking. in later years, when they bought the tooling back from Jeep they designed a multi-plane crankshaft to even out the firing. the early ones even used the same distributor as the v8......with 2 blank spaces on the cap for the missing cylinders.......man did those things shake! |
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