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Ron  Butts - 31 Aug 2005 01:36 GMT
Has anyone heard or read about any country including Canada that has offered
any assistance or help in any way to aleviate the suffering and hardships
that the residents of the Gulf Coast are now going through?
hoxiepoo@cox.net - 31 Aug 2005 02:18 GMT
I haven't read anything yet, but the TV is too busy wallowing in the
misery to report if anything like that has occurred yet. My guess is
few will volunteer to help as a great many places have troubles of
their own to handle.
Lee Aanderud - 31 Aug 2005 02:53 GMT
It'll be interesting to see what other countries volunteer or don't
volunteer their services... it seems like we run to them at the drop of a
hat and would probably have to beg to get their help.

Lee

>I haven't read anything yet, but the TV is too busy wallowing in the
> misery to report if anything like that has occurred yet. My guess is
> few will volunteer to help as a great many places have troubles of
> their own to handle.
George Mills - 31 Aug 2005 02:46 GMT
Yes, the American Red Cross sent word out within a very short time--what is
quite unusual is that there is normally a lead time of up to several weeks
before co-ordinators request outside help, (as in Canadian) and this time
they did it within a day. This makes sense, go locally first, then draw in
further afield--you don't want well-meaning people swamping in before you
have a battle plan up and running. So, what has happened is likely going to
completely overwhelm available US resources, and the call was moved up. As
reported on our regional TV news networks tonight, volunteers in many
fields/areas of expertise are preparing tonight to go from the Canadian
Maritimes. No doubt the electric company crews, telephone networks crews, as
well as people trained in all aspects of disaster relief are preparing to
move out in the next day or so, likely via Mongomery Alabama and fanning
out, ISTR.  Its just S.O.P. You give assistance because you can, and you
just never know when you might need some of it back--we had a hurricane here
in PEI & Nova Scotia (Juan) As well, there are a lot of Maritimers who,
besides the obvious ties with New England since colonial times, also have
extensive family/friendship ties with Louisianna.

Of course, anything in the slightest way positive about Canada would NEVER
be reported on Fox  <GGG>>

Jim Bartley on PEI

> Has anyone heard or read about any country including Canada that has offered
> any assistance or help in any way to aleviate the suffering and hardships
> that the residents of the Gulf Coast are now going through?
Pat Drnec - 31 Aug 2005 02:52 GMT
Anything remotely positive about anything but the Republican party would
never be reported on Fox.

> Yes, the American Red Cross sent word out within a very short time--what is
> quite unusual is that there is normally a lead time of up to several weeks
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>>any assistance or help in any way to aleviate the suffering and hardships
>>that the residents of the Gulf Coast are now going through?

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Lee Aanderud - 31 Aug 2005 03:14 GMT
We have FOX and  you have NBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN.  If you want something
other than politically correct newscasting you go to FOX.

For example, NBC and CNN spent 20 minutes dramatically talking about the
Coast Guard and Army helicopter crews rescuing those poor souls who spent a
scary night in their attic and on their roof top as the water rose around
their home.  FOX reported that the Coast Guard and Army helicopter crews had
to go out and rescue the idiots who refused to leave their homes even though
they had 3 days warning.

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> Anything remotely positive about anything but the Republican party would
> never be reported on Fox.
Karin Gillette - 31 Aug 2005 06:08 GMT
Although I am terriably worried about a friend of mine and her husband that
live in Gulfport, I think they made a stupid decision to stay there.  Of
course earlier this summer when we were in St Louis for a conference and the
other one hit that area, as a Cat 1, her husband was going to rent a vehicle
to drive from Gulfport to St Louis and pay the drop fee or rent a hitch to
tow his vehicle back behind hers because he did not want the expense of
flying or paying for a bus.  And she thought he was brilliant for thinking
of that.

By the way when researching it for her flying was the cheapest way believe
it or not.

He ended up renting a car and paying the drop fee and I think a late charge
because they could not find the lot at the airport, (even though we had
driven past it every day going between our hotel and the rehearsal hall).

And they live just off of Interstate 10.
> We have FOX and  you have NBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN.  If you want something
> other than politically correct newscasting you go to FOX.
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> > Anything remotely positive about anything but the Republican party would
> > never be reported on Fox.
markshere2 - 31 Aug 2005 12:58 GMT
That is calling a spade a shovel.

And that's why I watch Fox. Except for that idiot Gerlado.  I haven't paid
attention to that dirtbag since he tried to sneak back onto the site of the
Murrah building bombing, dressed as a rescue worker. They escorted his a.s
to the airport and told him to not come back unless he wanted to be in
jail.

Yes they are more convervative than the rest of the "MSM" but the rest of
the MSM is working their way out of relevance.

The manufactured Dan Rather episode is the first instance that leaps to my
poor damaged memory.

I used to just listen to the news and accept it as true. Until I started
to see just how wrong they got it most of the time.  And then I started
listening to what was NOT said.  And then I started listening to how the
words were chosen to describe events. I find myself yelling back at the TV
when I hear some of the fertilizer spoken there.

Mark (Now I am pissed off before my day is even started) Dunning
Ron  Butts - 31 Aug 2005 03:01 GMT
It's good to hear that our northern neighbor has been the first to step up
and offer assistance.  It just seems like that every time there is a natural
disaster anywhere in the world, we are the first and sometimes the only ones
who immediately start to fly in food and medical supplies.  Next we send in
all the specialized medical and search and rescue teams along the search dog
teams.  After all of this is said and done, we then offer them billions of
dollars to rebuild.  But we never hear a damn word from them nor basically
from any other country if we experience a major natural diaster.

> Yes, the American Red Cross sent word out within a very short time--what
> is
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>> any assistance or help in any way to aleviate the suffering and hardships
>> that the residents of the Gulf Coast are now going through?
Alex Magdaleno - 31 Aug 2005 05:33 GMT
That is because we have a lopsided view of the world. We don't hear and
don't want to hear much about other countries unless it effects us.
Here's a list of countries that gave Tsunami aid. We were far from the only
one.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4145259.stm

Here's some information about the San Fransisco quake in 89.
October 19, 1989
Bank of California, owned by Mitsubishi, donated $500,000 for earthquake
relief.
Sony Corp. donated $1 million for San Francisco earthquake relief.
Nissan Motor Co. donated $300,000 to the Red Cross Earthquake Relief fund.
Tass news agency reported that the Soviet government offered to send
doctors, geologists and rescue workers to assist with San Francisco
earthquake relief.
October 29, 1989
Japanese Red Cross Society sent 5 million yen to the American Red Cross to
help

Way back in 1906 the Japanese sent money to San Francisco for that quake.
And,  if we go way back, we would not even exist as a free country if it
weren't for the military aid the French gave us in the war for independance.
A debt we never paid back by the way.

> It's good to hear that our northern neighbor has been the first to step up
> and offer assistance.  It just seems like that every time there is a
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>>> hardships
>>> that the residents of the Gulf Coast are now going through?
Gsanders1@centurytel.net - 31 Aug 2005 16:17 GMT
> And,  if we go way back, we would not even exist as a free country if it
> weren't for the military aid the French gave us in the war for independance.
> A debt we never paid back by the way.

I can not let this statement go unchallenged. I think  we repaid the
French many times over by our actions in World War I and II.
Thank you,
Gary
Alex Magdaleno - 01 Sep 2005 06:19 GMT
You are correct there, but how  would you like to loan money and have the
borrower not pay you back for over 100 years. Louie the 16th  lost his head
partly because of that bad loan.

>> And,  if we go way back, we would not even exist as a free country if it
>> weren't for the military aid the French gave us in the war for
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> Thank you,
> Gary
Dave Lester - 31 Aug 2005 16:20 GMT
>we would not even exist as a free country if it weren't for the military
>aid the French gave us in the war for independance. A debt we never paid
>back by the way.

Huh?

I hope this doesn't go south as a political thread, but doesn't what we did
for them in WWII count for something?  They are, after all, still speaking
French instead of German, or even English, aren't they?
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Robert Black - 31 Aug 2005 16:29 GMT
Im sure us Canucks will be there as soon as the mess is cleaned up to where
we can do some good.We had US workers here after Juan and the ice storm that
damn near wrecked every power tansmission line from here to Qubec.
If I was a young buck and could stand the 100 degree heat Id be down
there,they certainly can use trades people.And the bucks you could make
would be unreal.
> That is because we have a lopsided view of the world. We don't hear and
> don't want to hear much about other countries unless it effects us.
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
>>>> hardships
>>>> that the residents of the Gulf Coast are now going through?
Jeff Rice - 01 Sep 2005 01:49 GMT
I heard that Mexico said they could immediately send 6 million workers to
New Orleans to do repair work.
They said that they were all already good at wading.
Jeff and afterwards they would stay and do all the landscaping <lol>) Rice

> Im sure us Canucks will be there as soon as the mess is cleaned up to
> where we can do some good.We had US workers here after Juan and the ice
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> there,they certainly can use trades people.And the bucks you could make
> would be unreal.
Gordon Richmond - 01 Sep 2005 05:05 GMT
I think many of us Canadians are waiting to learn where help is most
needed.

I for one, will pitch in financially once I know of an appropriate
place to donate.

The last thing that is needed now is an onslaught of well-meaning, but
basically clueless volunteers who will simply become a burden on the
already-shaky local infrastructure.

I do know of one guy who is already on his way there to adjust
insurance claims. he will be well paid for doing so, but every claims
settled means that some family starts getting their home back in
shape.

Gord Richmond
John Poulos - 01 Sep 2005 06:31 GMT
   Just saw a thing on TV about 14 countries so far offering aid,
Canada included. I think that's pretty amazing since we are the richest
country on the planet, not some in the third world area.

> I think many of us Canadians are waiting to learn where help is most
> needed.
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>
> Gord Richmond

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Karin Gillette - 01 Sep 2005 12:47 GMT
I haven't seen anything about 14 countries offering but I haven't been
watching the news this morning.

I did hear someone from the Gulf Coast saying basically that had it been
Florida the US Govt would have been there in a second or if they had been
overseas the US Govt would have responded.

In Dec the hardest hit places have a standard of living that most US
citizens would think was no standard and in the US would expect a handout
rather than even attempt to work.  Yes we responded to those areas but even
then it was not within an hour or two.

I am sure it is frustrating, here we are familiar with tornados and snow or
ice storms, and when there is a devasting event we all get a bit frustrated.

My two cents and now I will quit my little rambling!

>     Just saw a thing on TV about 14 countries so far offering aid,
> Canada included. I think that's pretty amazing since we are the richest
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> >
> > Gord Richmond
Paul Johnson - 01 Sep 2005 13:13 GMT
>I think many of us Canadians are waiting to learn where help is most
> needed.
>
> I for one, will pitch in financially once I know of an appropriate
> place to donate.

I donated to the Red Cross on-line.  They say they need money more than
anything else.

> The last thing that is needed now is an onslaught of well-meaning, but
> basically clueless volunteers who will simply become a burden on the
> already-shaky local infrastructure.

Amen to that.  It really irks me to see all the newscasters on site with
their support systems.  I'll bet they aren't hungry or thirsty (or dirty).
Paul Johnson
Craig Parslow - 01 Sep 2005 14:08 GMT
>I think many of us Canadians are waiting to learn where help is most
> needed.
>
> I for one, will pitch in financially once I know of an appropriate
> place to donate.

That's why I'm ONLY going to donate through our company's relief fund.  Our
parent coporation has offices around the Gulf Coast including one near New
Orleans.  That way I can rest assured it will get to those who really need
it the most.  This will be backed up by pictures and other news in future
issues of our corporate newsletters as has been done in the past when an
area has been stricken with disaster.

Craig.

> The last thing that is needed now is an onslaught of well-meaning, but
> basically clueless volunteers who will simply become a burden on the
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>
> Gord Richmond
 
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