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Fox reported shots were fired at a chopper and evacuation was suspended. When I switched over to CNN, they were covering a news conference saying that it was news to the chopper pilots and that nothing was suspended.It's been over a hour and Fox has not corrected itself. They're "making news" my hyping the looting and unrest. It's better TV to show a looter stealing a TV, than explaining that a lot of "looters" are after food and water.(i.e. the looter with a shoppong cart full of cookies, fruit juice and Huggies" )  SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 64 Challenger (Plain Wrapper ?) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk (on ebay) 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 54 Starlight(sold) 53 Starlight > Fox reported shots were fired at a chopper and evacuation was > suspended. When I switched over to CNN, they were covering a news [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > after food and water.(i.e. the looter with a shoppong cart full of > cookies, fruit juice and Huggies" ) Then they show people trying to break into Toys-R-Us and Best Buy. I guess they do sell candy up by the checkout counters... that must be what those people are after. Lee Than just shoot those looters I guess. Call up all the National Guard troops to do the deed, they should be back from celebrating the 'Mission Accomplished' any day now. >> Fox reported shots were fired at a chopper and evacuation was >>suspended. When I switched over to CNN, they were covering a news [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Lee SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 64 Challenger (Plain Wrapper ?) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk (on ebay) 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 54 Starlight(sold) 53 Starlight Now you're thinking rationally. What are you doing watching FOX? John, not the entire Louisiana/Mississippi/Alabama National Guard is overseas at the moment... I'd be surprised to hear if 10% was. Lee > Than just shoot those looters I guess. Call up all the National Guard > troops to do the deed, they should be back from celebrating the 'Mission > Accomplished' any day now. John - the main stumbling block to progress in Louisiana is the lack of communication between those who are in the city. We can see the problems developing in the fishbowl - but the fish inside can't see any further than about a half-mile. The cataclysm has to stabilize before we can really dig in and start the renewal. What National Guard Troops? I think they have called half of the 300 left in the United States. Not quite Dude. There are hundreds of thousands still in the US. Most not activated. > What National Guard Troops? I think they have called half of the 300 > left in the United States. Knee-Jerk, anti-Fox reaction. CNN & BBC are reporting shots fired at helicopter. They followed the Fox report, thus the news conference disputing it. I know CNN covered the conference and retracted, do not know about BBC. Fox now says " We have reports of shots fired in the area of choppers, if not at choppers" and dropped the reference to suspension of evacuation. > Knee-Jerk, anti-Fox reaction. > > CNN & BBC are reporting shots fired at helicopter. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 64 Challenger (Plain Wrapper ?) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 63 GT Hawk (on ebay) 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 54 Starlight(sold) 53 Starlight 7:37 A.M. - (AP) The evacuation of the Superdome was suspended Thursday after shots were fired at a military helicopter, an ambulance official overseeing the operation said. No immediate injuries were reported. "We have suspended operations until they gain control of the Superdome," said Richard Zeuschlag, head of Acadian Ambulance, which was handling the evacuation of sick and injured people from the Superdome. He said that military would not fly out of the Superdome either because of the gunfire and that the National Guard told him that it was sending 100 military police officers to gain control. "That's not enough," Zeuschlag. "We need a thousand." (Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) > They followed the Fox report, thus the news conference disputing it. I > know CNN covered the conference and retracted, do not know about BBC. Fox [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> CNN & BBC are reporting shots fired at helicopter. > Fox reported shots were fired at a chopper and evacuation was > suspended. When I switched over to CNN, they were covering a news [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > after food and water.(i.e. the looter with a shoppong cart full of > cookies, fruit juice and Huggies" ) If it was a rumor, the other networks jumped on it- saw the same info on NBC. I teach class tonight at the Air National Guard Base at Martinsburg (WV). A little while ago one of my former students who is a senior NCO loadmaster (C-130s) called me to tell me that one of my air crew students wouldn't be there tonight because they were flying relief flights to the Gulf Coast. I mentioned hearing about shooting at the military helicopter(s) and he confirmed that. He said that their air crews are wearing body armor and carrying 9mm pistols on all flights. Paul Johnson "In your heart, you know (Fox) is right." Karl (for those with long memories) Haas .. and in other news tonight the residents of New Orleans rest easier tonight after vital shipments of meth, crack cocaine, and alcohol were delivered by an emergency convoy of relief workers.... Seriously, there must be thousands of denizens in unwilling detox right now... Once traffic is allowed into the city again, a person with cash or drugs & a large truck or RV which could be used as a mobile pawn shop could make a fortune. > .. and in other news tonight the residents of New Orleans rest easier > tonight after vital shipments of meth, crack cocaine, and alcohol were > delivered by an emergency convoy of relief workers.... > > Seriously, there must be thousands of denizens in unwilling detox right > now... This is from the WWL blog... 2:04 P.M. - (AP) Fights and trash fires broke out, rescue helicopters were shot at and anger mounted across New Orleans on Thursday, as National Guardsmen poured in to help restore order across this increasingly desperate and lawless city. "We are out here like pure animals. We don't have help," the Rev. Issac Clark, 68, said outside the New Orleans Convention Center, where corpses lay in the open and he and other evacuees complained that they were dropped off and given nothing -- no food, no water, no medicine. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the government is sending in 1,400 National Guardsmen to help stop looting and other lawlessnes in New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. This from the Reuters "News" service: But the evacuation was suspended after reports that someone fired at a military helicopter sent to ferry out survivors. A National Guard soldier was shot and wounded in the arena on Wednesday. http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-09-01 T180147Z_01_ROB586049_RTRUKOC_0_UK-WEATHER-KATRINA.xml And this from KTBS: In a city where lawlessness has grown to disturbing levels in the past day, the evacuation of the Superdome was suspended today after shots were fired at a military helicopter and arson fires broke out outside the arena. http://www.ktbs.com/news-detail.html?cityid=1&hid=26876 Sounds like Fox had reason for their report. Jeff DeWitt > Fox reported shots were fired at a chopper and evacuation was > suspended. When I switched over to CNN, they were covering a news [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > "looters" are after food and water.(i.e. the looter with a shoppong cart > full of cookies, fruit juice and Huggies" ) Put yourself in their shoes. 95 degrees - 100% humidity - no power; no plumbing; no home; no job; nowhere to go back to; no hope. Nothing but countless local and national News crews milling about for that great sound bite or photo op. What a miserable experience that must be for those poor souls. All tunnel no light. > This is from the WWL blog... > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > military helicopter sent to ferry out survivors. A National Guard > soldier was shot and wounded in the arena on Wednesday. http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-09-01 T180147Z_01_ROB586049_RTRUKOC_0_UK-WEATHER-KATRINA.xml > And this from KTBS: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > "looters" are after food and water.(i.e. the looter with a shoppong cart > > full of cookies, fruit juice and Huggies" ) First, 95° at 100% humidity would be lethal to any human being. Fact is that it is always the same groups that get the short end of the stick. Ever think it through to realize why this is? Throughout history, the strong have always dominated the weak. It will never change. To think otherwise is futile and belies history. Humans are merrily animals who are just a bit more cunning than their brothers... Yes, there is misery but this is nothing new. JT > Put yourself in their shoes. 95 degrees - 100% humidity - no power; no > plumbing; no home; no job; nowhere to go back to; no hope. Nothing but [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > > "looters" are after food and water.(i.e. the looter with a shoppong cart > > > full of cookies, fruit juice and Huggies" ) Just saw a interesting item on Primetime about two photo captions in the news today. One was a black guy with a case of Pepsi, wading in chest deep water with the caption: "after looting a grocery store" The other, a college age white couple doing the same that said "Found food and water in a damaged store". The news is just beginning to show black folk helping each other, but the coverage of the bad guys gets better ratings. We can sit back and watch the suffering and say "no big loss" or good riddance. If we had tens of thousands of middle class white taxpayers stuck in that hell, you can believe sh.t would move faster. > Put yourself in their shoes. 95 degrees - 100% humidity - no power; no > plumbing; no home; no job; nowhere to go back to; no hope. Nothing but [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >>>"looters" are after food and water.(i.e. the looter with a shoppong cart >>>full of cookies, fruit juice and Huggies" ) SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight I heard about that one too (think it was from CNN originally). Under the circumstances stealing food and water is understandable, however there is no excuse for taking shoes, jewelry, TV's and all the other stuff that was being looted. Looters should be shot. Jeff DeWitt > Just saw a interesting item on Primetime about two photo captions in the > news today. One was a black guy with a case of Pepsi, wading in chest [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] >>>> cart >>>> full of cookies, fruit juice and Huggies" ) Jeff, who do you shoot ? The guy with the TV, OK, the guy taking shoes or cloths may need them, food and water, certainly not. It would be a slippery slope using deadly force to protect property that will probably end up in a landfill anyway. I do lean toward shooting a few that break in to private homes to steal cash and jewelery, but that's just my gut feeling to prevent anarchy. > I heard about that one too (think it was from CNN originally). > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jeff DeWitt SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight The civil authorities(governor and mayor)seemed to be overwhelmed by the crisis. The nobody is in charge syndrome. Course a lot that has to do with lack of communications etc. The authorities who spent a lot time on TV early on, are nowhere to be seen now. Perhaps thats appropriate since no one in NO can see tv anyway. > Jeff, who do you shoot ? The guy with the TV, OK, the guy taking shoes > or cloths may need them, food and water, certainly not. It would be a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> Jeff DeWitt Right after the storm went through there were reports of store owners opening up their food stores and allowing people to take what they wanted because as one store owner said. "It is going to spoil and there are alot of hungry people who need it". I was also reported that people tried to pay for the food and their money wasn't any good (store owners wouldn't take the money). They had a call at KTRH Houston yesterday from a black man and he was wondering if there is something wrong with the blacks in NOLA in that they don't seem to know right from wrong. He stated he is embarrassed to be black. He also stated that people taking food item should be left alone and people taking anything else should be shot on sight, regardless of the color of their skin. Paul V > The civil authorities(governor and mayor)seemed to be overwhelmed by the > crisis. The nobody is in charge syndrome. Course a lot that has to do with [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>> >>> Jeff DeWitt > If we had tens of thousands of middle class white taxpayers stuck in that > hell, you can believe sh.t would move faster. I don't believe that. Things are moving as fast as possible in an impossible situation. This thing is overwhelming. The folks are right... things are not moving fast enough, but there is little anybody can do about it. SignatureDave Lester www.davesplaceinc.com The Studebaker Hang Out Casbah of 'Sheba the Tramp, and Goliath the Hateful Truck > > If we had tens of thousands of middle class white taxpayers stuck in that > > hell, you can believe sh.t would move faster. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > This thing is overwhelming. The folks are right... things are not moving > fast enough, but there is little anybody can do about it. Before anyone says it, I'm not certain that middle class white taxpayers would behave any better either. They can be mean when provoked. nate > If we had tens of thousands of middle class white taxpayers stuck in that > hell, you can believe sh.t would move faster. BULLSHIT!!! Grand Forks, ND & East Grand Forks, MN - Spring 1997. Same situation, no looting. Cities of 50,000 and 20,000 people. http://www.geo.mtu.edu/department/classes/ge404/mlbroder/ http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2002/2002-04--14-grand-forks-flood.htm http://www.cnn.com/WEATHER/9704/19/ndakota.flooding/ Lee I can't imagine ANY situation where shooting at rescue helicopters makes any kind of sense, there is NO excuse for that. There is an episode of MASH where the 4077th is threatened by a sniper, finally a helicopter comes in and they take out the sniper with a lot of firepower from a machine gun. THAT is how the snipers in New Orleans should be dealt with, and the snipers too. Jeff DeWitt > Put yourself in their shoes. 95 degrees - 100% humidity - no power; no > plumbing; no home; no job; nowhere to go back to; no hope. Nothing but [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >>>"looters" are after food and water.(i.e. the looter with a shoppong cart >>>full of cookies, fruit juice and Huggies" ) No one could disagree with that, no excuse what ever. It's like a sinking ship, some hero's, some trying to pull a kid out of a life boat, most just waiting their turn to be rescued. The longer the wait for the rescue, the more folks will act uncivilized. > I can't imagine ANY situation where shooting at rescue helicopters makes > any kind of sense, there is NO excuse for that. [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >>>> cart >>>> full of cookies, fruit juice and Huggies" ) SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight |
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