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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / September 2005

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Paul Johnson - 02 Sep 2005 21:10 GMT
Gas prices are pretty much unexplainable around here (Eastern Panhandle of
WV).  Monday, every gas station in Martinsburg was $2.499 for 87 octane.
Yesterday they were all $3.199 except for the Martins grocery store gas
station.  As I drove by I noticed that there were six or eight cars waiting
at each pump- $2.989 for 87, this at 4:30 pm.  I didn't have time to wait in
line even though I needed gas.  7:30 pm, came back by to pick up the wife at
the mall, Martins was now also $3.199.  There were still six to eight cars
waiting at each pump (sheeple- love that term).  I drove another two blocks
and filled up at $3.199 and there was no wait.  This morning we had to go to
Hagerstown, MD to pick up a special order item.  All the stations were
$3.299.  I drove by Sam's and there were lines at each pump- $3.019 (and I
couldn't have squeezed two gallons in to my tank).  Do we have price fixing
or what?
When we were in Hagerstown, Frederick (MD) radio was announcing that the
story that all Frederick gas stations were closing today at 4pm for the
holiday weekend was UNTRUE!.  I guess that must have sparked some kind of
panic there.
Howzit your way?
Paul Johnson
Bob40 - 02 Sep 2005 23:07 GMT
In the western part of Delano,MN(you kin look it up)the price hit $3.15
yesterday and there were no lines.At 2pm it was still $3.15 and apparently
the station owners in town..we have 3 gas stations....decided that the rush
of folks leaving for the cabins "up north" was over so the price dropped to
$2.89. Still no lines.
My guess is that by Monday mid afternoon the price will once again be $3.15

Bob40

> Gas prices are pretty much unexplainable around here (Eastern Panhandle of
> WV).  Monday, every gas station in Martinsburg was $2.499 for 87 octane.
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> Howzit your way?
> Paul Johnson
ADS - 03 Sep 2005 01:32 GMT
I feel for you.  I'm close to Toronto and our prices went up for the long
weekend to $1.399 CDN a liter which equals $4.49 USF a US gallon.
It's totally amazing.   Our Prime Minister was quoted today as saying
Canada does not have a gas shortage and we don't import any oil.  Some one
is getting screwed but good. I'm strapping a hunk of boiler plate to my
butt.   This isn't going to be pretty.

Tony

> In the western part of Delano,MN(you kin look it up)the price hit $3.15
> yesterday and there were no lines.At 2pm it was still $3.15 and apparently
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>> Howzit your way?
>> Paul Johnson
Gordon Richmond - 03 Sep 2005 03:03 GMT
Actually, Paul, if there really were price-fixing going on, you
wouldn't be asking that question. The dealers would have a quiet
arrangement amongst themselves to offer a range of prices, with
different dealers taking turns to be low man on the scale.

That would lull the sheeple into believing there was vigorous
competition.

The very fact that prices seems to move in lockstep is evidence of the
fact that they are competitive with one another, contrary though that
may seem.

Funny, nobody seems to rant about price-fixing when there is a glut of
deliverable product, and retailers get into a price war for market
share, yet prices move in the same lockstep fashion.

The real problem here is that there is a shortage of refinery
capacity, especially now with the facilities in the Gulf down due to
Katrina.There's no scarcity of crude, but there's no way to process
enough and get it to market.

After a month or two, they should have the Gulf refineries and
terminals back up and running, which will also help provide
much-needed jobs and cash flow for the residents of the area.

Gord Richmond
--Shiva-- - 03 Sep 2005 05:00 GMT
On Sat, 03 Sep 2005 02:03:38 GMT,  you wrote:

>After a month or two, they should have the Gulf refineries and
>terminals back up and running, which will also help provide
>much-needed jobs and cash flow for the residents of the area.
>
>Gord Richmond
2 pipelines feeding the east coast are out too,,
it depends now on how much groceries you got salted away.. a
month or 2's worth?? we hope??

    --Shiva--
   
   
64daytonaht - 03 Sep 2005 06:13 GMT
Seems to be working like that here.  One day Race Track is cheaper
(.05-.10).  Shell, Chevron are high.  The other day Chevron was .20 cheaper
then anybody else which is never the case, as they are all ways among the
highest.

Strange!

Bo

> Actually, Paul, if there really were price-fixing going on, you
> wouldn't be asking that question. The dealers would have a quiet
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>
> Gord Richmond
Grumpy AuContraire - 03 Sep 2005 19:40 GMT
A couple of weeks ago before the current situation, two adjoining
stations had a mini gas war where prices fell about 30¢ in one day plus
each was trying to outdo the other with free hot dogs and soda...

JT

> Seems to be working like that here.  One day Race Track is cheaper
> (.05-.10).  Shell, Chevron are high.  The other day Chevron was .20 cheaper
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> >
> > Gord Richmond
midlant@earthlink.net - 03 Sep 2005 19:59 GMT
We will have a choice after the Reno ZM to drive to central Colorado to
visit, coming home via Phoenix, or just coming back from Reno.

I expect that the fuel situation will determine that.
Hard to make plans...

Karl
Grumpy AuContraire - 03 Sep 2005 19:36 GMT
87 grade is $2.85 or so in Austin.

JT

> Gas prices are pretty much unexplainable around here (Eastern Panhandle of
> WV).  Monday, every gas station in Martinsburg was $2.499 for 87 octane.
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> Howzit your way?
> Paul Johnson
itsfrom Click - 03 Sep 2005 20:43 GMT
two gas "experts" I've heard on the news in the last couple days:

made sense:  the Prez of Ashland/Marathon Refining was on WHR radio
(Detroit)....talked about the 2 pipelines (Central and East) that were
down from the hurricane....both back and running by Friday....but....his
company (like others) has bought imported crude almost exclusively for
some years......since none is being unloaded in the Gulf area, they are
buying Texas crude that on Thursday was $.50 more per equivalent of a
gallon of gas.  what he said made sense.

the old line:  on TV was a "spokesman" for petroleum retailers
group......we always hear the gas stations say they make only a couple
pennies a gallon and the prices are set by "the companies"  the
companies say the stations are independent and set their own prices.  so
- the interviewer asked the "spokesman" point blank if the stations are
making more per gallon as the price of gas goes up------I swear to God
he said this with a straight face:  "The answer is No....in 1950 the gas
station only made 2 or 3 cents a gallon when gas was 26 to 30 cents, so
they were making 10 percent.  They're still only making 10 percent, so
they aren't making any more than they ever have"   DUH!!!!!  I think I'd
settle for a 30 cent per gallon mark-up on an average 20 gallon sale X
hundreds of sales a day!
--Shiva-- - 04 Sep 2005 02:37 GMT
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 20:10:51 GMT,  you wrote:

>Howzit your way?
>Paul Johnson

2.91 tonight, as opposed to 3.29 yesterday
    --Shiva--
   
   
 
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