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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / September 2005Muncie M-22 in Stude?
I may be able to get a Muncie aluminum-case M-22 for a good price, is this worth trying to put in a Stude, or should I hold out for a 5-speed? Apparently came out of an old Camaro. nate  Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel If that's a 4 speed, not worth the effort. > I may be able to get a Muncie aluminum-case M-22 for a good price, is > this worth trying to put in a Stude, or should I hold out for a 5-speed? > Apparently came out of an old Camaro. > > nate SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight It's the "rockcrusher" 4-speed, basically like a close ratio T-10 but with aluminum case. nate > If that's a 4 speed, not worth the effort. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel Nate, if you are hot rodding around the street, that is a GREAT tranny IF you get it cheap enough. A bit on the noisy side, but for me that's beautiful music. Not a "sloppy" as the Borg Warner, either. Put a Hurst shifter on it and POUND the gears without fear of hurting synchros or grenading the thing. And if you don't like it you can get decent bucks for one from the GM guys. I would consider buying it from you for my Daytona if you don't want or like it. I would love to try one on a Stude as I have been around a bunch of them from my 'Vette days. Studebaker George And you could always take the BW 4-speed from the Daytona and put it in the 59 Hawk... Matthew (it's already got the bucket seats) Burnette > Nate, if you are hot rodding around the street, that is a GREAT tranny > IF you get it cheap enough. A bit on the noisy side, but for me that's [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > days. > Studebaker George If any of you really want a M-22 I have one that is set up for Stude that I got from Kelly. It is bolted to a Stude bellhousing. It has the shaft extended and will fit the stude pilot bearing. I have decided to use the T 10 I have that I already rebuilt. If I don't sell it to a Stude guy I will put the Muncie front bearing retainer on it and sell it to a Chevy guy. email me if interested. SignatureJerry Kaiser (Studeblu) 64 One Ton 61 Champ pick up 53 Starlight Coupe ( pinky) 53 2R6 > Nate, if you are hot rodding around the street, that is a GREAT tranny > IF you get it cheap enough. A bit on the noisy side, but for me that's [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > days. > Studebaker George If you can buy it, modify, get the correct shifter and mount it for well less then the $300-$400 for the correct T-10, maybe. Don't forget I have six 4-speeds in the garage.<g> > It's the "rockcrusher" 4-speed, basically like a close ratio T-10 but > with aluminum case. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> >>> nate SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight > It's the "rockcrusher" 4-speed, basically like a close ratio T-10 but > with aluminum case. > > nate Nate, I believe the M-22 came in a variety of ratios just like M-20's, M-21's, and T-10's did. I don't think they were all close ration. Also, while all Muncie 4 speeds had aluminum cases, some T-10's came with aluminum cases too. The close ratio (2.20 low) T-10 D in my '54 has an aluminum case and tail saft. I don't believe a Studebaker pilot shaft was ever available for a Muncie. You'd have to make some sort of adapter to fit a Muncie (Chevy) pilot shaft to a Studebaker (that's after you find the early Chevy bolt pattern bell). Not sure it's worth all that (might be for a 5 speed, however). Although the M-22 is Big Block tough, the T-10 is plenty stout for most of us (including the Tomato and the Wrapper). Mine gets its share of "banging" and doesn't mind a bit. -Dick- Nate, I wrote about the Muncie a week or so ago. My Muncie is now owned by Jerry Kaiser. It was found in a Lark that was drag raced around Phoenix in the late sixties and seventies. The story goes from Bruce Sandberg, who got the tranny originally, that the guy who raced it was sick of lunching T-10's. That is the story anyway. Great tranny, the Muncie. The gear spread was perfect. Much nicer shifting than the original T-10 in my Hawk. Adapt over the Chevy pilot bushing, you'd have to do that for the Chevy T-5 install, anyway. Use a Chevy friction plate. You're in business. The Hurst shifter is readily available, new. The shifter lands in a slightly different place, but so does the T-5. By the by I have a T-5 now in the Hawk. But I wouldn't hesitate to use a Muncie again, ever. If it is cheap enough..... KM Even if you can't use it in your car, buy it and re-sell it if you can. That way you can partially finance the 5 spd. There's a good market for those things with the BB Chev crowd. Rob > It's the "rockcrusher" 4-speed, basically like a close ratio T-10 but > with aluminum case. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> >>> nate Signaturehttp://www.robswoodworking.com I remember years ago that Mel Boettjer sold adapters for using Chevy input shafts, so there must be some around or they can be made up. Studebaker George Sell the Muncie for big bucks and buy the 5-speed with cash to spare. Bob40 >I may be able to get a Muncie aluminum-case M-22 for a good price, is this >worth trying to put in a Stude, or should I hold out for a 5-speed? >Apparently came out of an old Camaro. > > nate The first time you roll over from 4th to 5th, out on the hiway, you will know you made the correct choice with the 5 speed. 1700 rpm's in 5th gear, (behind a 259 with a 3.31 rear end) yielded about 70 to 72 MPH. Jim in Tulsa >I may be able to get a Muncie aluminum-case M-22 for a good price, is this >worth trying to put in a Stude, or should I hold out for a 5-speed? >Apparently came out of an old Camaro. > > nate |
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