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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / September 2005

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Oh no... anyone coming to Ashevill have a V8 oil pan?

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Jeff DeWitt - 09 Sep 2005 00:02 GMT
I swear, if it isn't one thing it's another.

As Henry told me the engine in my Lark makes a odd, deep sort of knock
sometimes when the engine is hot.

Well I was driving home last night and the engine started running oddly,
and then the oil pressure light came on.  It's weird, I've never seen an
engine act like this, the oil light stays off at idle and cruising, but
when it's acting up will come on under light acceleration.

I'm guessing the main bearings, so the engine is going to have to come out.

The truck has a busted transmission (again), and a body mount problem
that needs attention before I can regularly drive it again, so it seems
like the best solution for now is to put the engine from the truck in
the Lark while I fix the Larks engine.

The oil pan on the trucks engine is REALLY beat up, and I'm afraid that
it may have been bent into the oil pickup, so before installing it in
the Lark I need to change the pan.

So, anyone coming to Asheville have a good oil pan for a V8 and a gasket?

Jeff DeWitt
Gordon Richmond - 09 Sep 2005 00:50 GMT
Jeff,

Before you tear down the Lark engine, check the crank endplay. Could
be the bolt that retains the harmonic balancer is loose. Since it also
compresses the timing gear and thrust plate against the shim pack that
controls crank endplay, a loose bolt can lead to a "floating" crank.

Just grab the harmonic balancer by hand and try to force it forward
and back. I don't have the spec handy, but if the motion is
appreciable, that could be your knock.

Gord Richmond
Grumpy AuContraire - 09 Sep 2005 01:33 GMT
> Jeff,
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> Gord Richmond

Also, if it is main bearings...  It may not be necessary to remove the
engine so long as the crank is ok.

JT
Jeff DeWitt - 09 Sep 2005 03:43 GMT
Thanks, I just checked that bolt and unfortunately it's tight.

How bad is it to change the bearings in place?  I REALLY don't look
forward to pulling an engine on a gravel driveway, it's going to be
interesting to maneuver the hoist on the gravel.

I seem to remember someone recommending using .010 over bearings if you
weren't getting the crank turned.

The top end of the engine seems fine, no smoke, it doesn't use oil, and
the plugs burn a nice uniform tan, I'd REALLY rather just fix what's
wrong rather than do a full rebuild!

Jeff DeWitt

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John Poulos - 09 Sep 2005 03:55 GMT
Not .010, but .0001 or .0002.

> Thanks, I just checked that bolt and unfortunately it's tight.
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Jeff DeWitt - 09 Sep 2005 04:16 GMT
Oh, that's quite a difference!  Thanks,

Jeff DeWitt

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Paul Johnson - 09 Sep 2005 13:12 GMT
> Not .010, but .0001 or .0002.

I thought it was .001 or .002.  I didn't know anything on a Stude was
measured in ten thousandths<G>.
Paul Johnson
John Poulos - 09 Sep 2005 15:57 GMT
Two wrongs do make a right <g> Thanks for catching that typo.

>>Not .010, but .0001 or .0002.
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> I thought it was .001 or .002.  I didn't know anything on a Stude was
> measured in ten thousandths<G>.
> Paul Johnson

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62 Lark 2 door
61 Hawk
60? Hawk
53 Starlight

Grumpy AuContraire - 09 Sep 2005 21:27 GMT
> > Not .010, but .0001 or .0002.
> >
> I thought it was .001 or .002.  I didn't know anything on a Stude was
> measured in ten thousandths<G>.
> Paul Johnson

Actually, yes, some specs are to four decimal points.  But for all
practical purposes, .00x is close enough.  Especially with our higher
mileage vehicles.  

IIRC, cylinder bores, main & rod bearings were to the 1/10000.

JT
Alex Magdaleno - 09 Sep 2005 06:07 GMT
The bolt can be tight, but still have a problem. You want to pull in and out
on the  harmonic balancer. The play should be less that .006  I believe.
Try reving the engine to the same speed  neutral and see if the light still
comes on. It seems strange that it comes on only on light acceleration. I
would hook up a temporary oil pressure guage and see what it does.

> Thanks, I just checked that bolt and unfortunately it's tight.
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Grumpy AuContraire - 09 Sep 2005 13:20 GMT
Uh Uh...  Without turning the crank, about .001 oversize would be it and
only when that much wear has occurred and the crank remains true.

On all vehicles, the exhaust has to be dropped and on passenger cars,
the bellcrank has to be separated from the pin  then that whole assembly
(pin) removed so that the bellcrank/tie rods can be pushed aside to
allow the pan to be removed.  Starter also has to come out, oil dipstick
assy removed.

Once the pan is down, remove the oil pump and inspect it for clearance.

At this point, all bearing caps are exposed. IIRC, (I haven't done it
this way in some twenty years), I used to loosen all main bearing cap
screws to hand tight then remove on cap at a time inspect the crank
surface then replace the cap and tighten to hand tight.  If all the
surfaces look OK (No deep groves, etc.), repeat the process replacing a
set of bearings one journal at a time. The hardest bearing is usually
the front since it serves as the thrust bearing as well and is my
starting point.  

With regard to bearing condition, I have often seem some worn to the
copper layer.  If the wear is even, this is not of much concern.

Lastly, when removing the rear bearing cap, it should be dry as a bone
to the rear of the seal.  In all of my experience, I have only seen a
couple of rear main seal failures on a Studebaker.  However, it is
imperative that the seal also be replaced.

JT

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Robert Black - 10 Sep 2005 05:04 GMT
Jeff,your a real Stude Dude to keep at it.
You sure have had your share of problems lately with your Bakers.
> Uh Uh...  Without turning the crank, about .001 oversize would be it and
> only when that much wear has occurred and the crank remains true.
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