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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / September 2005More fuel price trouble(sorta OT)
Well here in eastern Canada the truckers have decided that if the government can't do anything about the price of diesel fuel,their gonna take matters into their own hands. They started a blockade on the Trans Canada leading into the province from Quebec(and the rest of Canada).Last I heard theres over 500 rigs parked on the sides of the highway and more joining every minute.Cars are allowed to pass,but no commercial trucks.The police so far have just tried to keep order,and stop them from preventing any violence or stoping of cars. Now its spread to the New Brunswick/Nova Scotia border where theres hunderds more. My brother who drives for Armour transport,one of the largest trucking companies,hadn't made it to the border yet,he lives on the NB side,was told to take his rig home and park it this morning,hes on strike.At least hes home,and not stuck on the side of the road like hundreds of others,who are living in their rigs.They are trying to get it to spread to Quebec,and Maine,sealing off all entry points.The rigs are piling up an enormous rate,as no truck driver wants to be labeled a "scab" and drive through.If this thing keeps spreading all hell is going to break loose,as already grocery stores,liqour stores,everything that moves by truck(which is most everything) are already starting to run low. In all my 49 years Ive never seen so many upset people,and such a volatile situation.Us normally laid back Canucks are taking it to the streets,and I fear its gonna get real ugly before its over. Of course this is all related to Katrina,but some of these guys(independant owners)are loosing their rigs,or turning the keys over to the banks.They all feel their being gouged severly,and its spreading rapidly. Did you ever get the feeling the whole world is going to hell in a handbasket? Just wait till the stores all run out of essentials,what then,looting and shooting just like N.O.? The whole things getting very nasty,and no one knows whats gonna happen next. This enormous disaster called Katrina has started a chain of events thats getting truly scary.Just before I left work a few minutes ago,a buddy just heard on the radio that the rigs are numbered in the thousands now.I guess they figured New Brunswick,being a corridor province was the place to start ,Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland will be shut down next(if you can't get through NB,you can't get to them. Where to hell is it all gonna end? Truck drivers are in a real mess. At least your guys can "turn over the keys" and declare bankruptcy. Down here a new law is taking effect in Oct that is going to screw truckers and people who lose their homes to disasters like Katrina. If they make more than the average of income in their area they will have to keep paying for homes and cars that do not exist. The Democrats tried to at least have an exemption for natural disasters written in when it past. There are going to be some very sad middle and upper middle class folks who will wish they hadn't voted as they did. > Well here in eastern Canada the truckers have decided that if the > government can't do anything about the price of diesel fuel,their gonna [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > can't get through NB,you can't get to them. > Where to hell is it all gonna end? And what new law might that be? I find it hard to understand how someone can MAKE you pay for something when you don't have any money, or a job, or a home.... Mark > Truck drivers are in a real mess. At least your guys can "turn over the > keys" and declare bankruptcy. Down here a new law is taking effect in Oct [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> you can't get through NB,you can't get to them. >> Where to hell is it all gonna end? Bankruptcy law that takes effect on Oct 17... JT > And what new law might that be? I find it hard to understand how someone > can MAKE you pay for something when you don't have any money, or a job, or a [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >> you can't get through NB,you can't get to them. > >> Where to hell is it all gonna end? Another law was just was suspended for the storm. GW just killed the 1931 Davis Bacon Act so that government contractors rebuilding after the storm can to pay the workers less then the local prevailing wage. http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/08/news/economy/katrina_wages.reut/index.htm?sectio n=money_latest > Bankruptcy law that takes effect on Oct 17... > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] >>>>you can't get through NB,you can't get to them. >>>>Where to hell is it all gonna end?  SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight "Another law was just was suspended for the storm. GW just killed the 1931 Davis Bacon Act ..." Well the labor unions won't like that, but too bad, there is a huge job to be done and the unions these days generally cause more trouble than anything else. I see the biggest complaier is Teddy (hic) Kennedy. Anything that gets that fat SOB upset can't be all that bad... Mary Jo Kopechne couldn't be reached for comment. Jeff DeWitt Now now Jeff... think of those unskilled union laborers who won't be able to make $30/hr. to fill dumpsters. There is still a minimum wage in this country, if anyone thinks a professional plumber, electrician, carpenter, etc. is going to head to or stay in LA, MS, or AL to work for $5.15/hr. is crazy. An employer is going to have a hard time finding people to work for low wages who can do the work to meet building codes. Just because John is scared that it could happen, doesn't mean that employers will start cutting their employees wages. "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!". It's interesting, I've been involved in the "Processing Center" for incoming evacuees in Columbia, SC. The people getting off the planes are met like royalty, escorted through the processing center with one or more volunteer per family. Everyone is getting a state driver's license or state ID free of charge not to mention a $2000 cash card. I've already heard people asking if they could cash their card in for the entire amount at any local bank... "I may not have a home, but I've got $2000 in my pocket". Many are meeting with Job Service and are getting job interviews and offers on the spot. They are then put in cabs or driven by the volunteers to hotels and motels where they are offered rooms for up to six months free of charge (paid for by the City of Columbia). The ironic thing is... nothing like this went on for the local homeless or jobless. Lee > "Another law was just was suspended for the storm. GW just killed the > 1931 Davis Bacon Act ..." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jeff DeWitt I agree with the last part of your post, we can't let our hearts outrun our good sense. Most of those folks have been through hell, many deserve any help we can give them, but just throwing money and free stuff at them may not be the answer. I saw one poor working family that did leave before the storm, lost everything, but found they don't qualify for the 2K and the rest because they did not stay and become refugees and that seems to punish those that did follow good advice. > Now now Jeff... think of those unskilled union laborers who won't be able to > make $30/hr. to fill dumpsters. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> >>Jeff DeWitt SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight One might want to bear in mind that many of those who did not evacuate NO to begin with are 2nd and 3rd generation welfare constituents. The first words out of the mouths of many who showed up in Austin included, "where's the food stamps?" and "Where's the welfare office?" I sh.t you not... JT > I agree with the last part of your post, we can't let our hearts > outrun our good sense. Most of those folks have been through hell, many [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > 60? Hawk > 53 Starlight Didn't say it was good or bad, depends on if you're writing the paycheck or getting it. Just to be clear the Davis Bacon act does not require union labor, just that the workers are paid according to local labor rates. It was set at $9.00 a hour in the storm states for government contractors. It was passed in the depression to keep employers from hiring workers from depressed areas instead of paying locals the going rate according to the cost of living in that area. 'BTW "The act is named after its Republican sponsors, James "Puddler Jim" Davis, a Senator from Pennsylvania and a former Secretary of Labor under three presidents, and Representative Robert L. Bacon of Long Island, New York." not pinko liberals. > "Another law was just was suspended for the storm. GW just killed the > 1931 Davis Bacon Act ..." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jeff DeWitt SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight It doesn't do any good anyway. Construction wages in border states are abysmally low as most of the construction companies employ sizable numbers of illegals. Hell, here in Austin, the police cannot even demand the name of anyone stopped for a violation and in fact, many times they are not for that very reason. JT (Who lives in Austin, the Berkeley of the south) > Didn't say it was good or bad, depends on if you're writing the paycheck > or getting it. Just to be clear the Davis Bacon act does not require [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > 60? Hawk > 53 Starlight $9 dollars an hour is the prevaling wage. Why do companies need to pay less than that paltry wage. > "Another law was just was suspended for the storm. GW just killed the > 1931 Davis Bacon Act ..." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jeff DeWitt Watch out for even more rats to cross the border... JT > Another law was just was suspended for the storm. GW just killed the > 1931 Davis Bacon Act so that government contractors rebuilding after the [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > 60? Hawk > 53 Starlight I don't care for the rats name, but many contractors will use immigrant labor now the the act is suspended. Most non-union contractors even around here have a bunch. The union guys and independents that pay market wages won't have a shot on many jobs, but it'll save a bunch of taxpayers money. Maybe they will hire some of the now unemployed locals. > Watch out for even more rats to cross the border... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >>>Bankruptcy law that takes effect on Oct 17... SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight Would "cockroach" be better? (The common term used in border states). I just call 'em as I see 'em. JT > I don't care for the rats name, but many contractors will use > immigrant labor now the the act is suspended. Most non-union contractors [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > 60? Hawk > 53 Starlight On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 06:49:19 -0400, you wrote: >And what new law might that be? I find it hard to understand how someone >can MAKE you pay for something when you don't have any money, or a job, or a >home.... > >Mark see the new bankruptcy laws, for further details.. its VERY loaded for the company that is OWED money.. LOTS of things are no longer bankruptcy relief available --Shiva-- The law doesn't make you pay it right away, it just makes it impossible to declare bankruptcy if you make more than the average wage in the state. So whenever you do get a job at any time in the future they can attach your wages. Somehow our country became the most prosperous in the world under the old system. > And what new law might that be? I find it hard to understand how someone > can MAKE you pay for something when you don't have any money, or a job, or [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >>> them. >>> Where to hell is it all gonna end? I feel for the truck drivers. Their rate per mile keeps getting cut and the fuel and licensing fees keep going up. You know, we were all getting screwed BEFORE Katrina. I'm missing something. What's N.O.? Studeski Claude Chmielewski claudeski@netzero.com http://www.studeski.com Fillmore, Wisconsin 1947 M16 Truck 1962 GT Hawk 1963 Lark 1964 Commander Wagonaire The recently destroyed New Orleans > snip > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 1963 Lark > 1964 Commander Wagonaire |
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