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Dexter - 10 Sep 2005 17:21 GMT Congress is holding hearings right now on gas prices. Oil company execs were not subpoened (sp?), but prices at the rack have come down 25 cents in the past week. Isn't that an odd coincidence???? I don't think thay should get their fingers slapped, I think thay should get their butts kicked and their treasuries fined in major proportions! Here's the deal. I do not like government regulation and intervention! BUT, when these producers of strategic commodities collude to screw the American public, they need to be penalized.
Barry - 10 Sep 2005 18:40 GMT There is some truth to that, but as long as crude stays so high, gas will be out of sight. Do not forget that producers pay taxes at the well head, which is passed on to consumers, and that you pay a high tax at the pump. World-wide energy consumption is continuing to increase, which means that production will have to drastically increase, or prices will keep going up. Domestically, exploration is tightly regulated, & expensive, & many rich deposits are not available to producers.
> Congress is holding hearings right now on gas prices. Oil company execs > were not subpoened (sp?), but prices at the rack have come down 25 cents in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > BUT, when these producers of strategic commodities collude to screw the > American public, they need to be penalized. Grumpy AuContraire - 10 Sep 2005 19:45 GMT That doesn't negate the fact that Bush signed a bad energy law. One that gave big oil a green light to run rampant without accountability. Funny that the same Congress that passed that bill into law now wants to investigate the same oil companies that were provided carte blanche incentives.
It's time to outsource Congress or at least bring back the windfall profits tax and put that to work on alternative energy research. Big oil certainly is not interested in anything of that sort...
JT
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> There is some truth to that, but as long as crude stays so high, gas will be > out of sight. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > BUT, when these producers of strategic commodities collude to screw the > > American public, they need to be penalized. 64daytonaht - 10 Sep 2005 20:09 GMT Big Oil and GW. Hmmmmm? I wonder what the connection could be? Can you say "Haliburton"?
Bo
Grumpy AuContraire - 10 Sep 2005 22:32 GMT I don't think that Haliburton is the culprit here. It's the big producers that have us by the short hairs and there isn't much that can be done about it if the leadership is sleeping with 'em...
OTOH, Haliburton is like the old AT&T, when a management firm was needed for early ABM R&D, they were the only one that could do the job. In fact, they were told that they would have to do it. There were no bids.
Things sure have change since then...
JT
> Big Oil and GW. Hmmmmm? I wonder what the connection could be? Can you > say "Haliburton"? > > Bo Dave's Place - 10 Sep 2005 23:13 GMT > Big Oil and GW. Hmmmmm? I wonder what the connection could be? Can you > say "Haliburton"? HEY! I've got an idea!
Let's put two oil guys in the White House, and put the retarded one in charge of the crooked one, and see what happens!
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Pat Drnec - 11 Sep 2005 01:28 GMT You owe me a keyboard, and will DWG clean a monitor?
>>Big Oil and GW. Hmmmmm? I wonder what the connection could be? Can you >>say "Haliburton"? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Let's put two oil guys in the White House, and put the retarded one in > charge of the crooked one, and see what happens!
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John Poulos - 11 Sep 2005 01:55 GMT Dave is my kind of conservative, he knows there are poor leaders in all flavors, same as I do. i.e. I'm no fan of Ted Kennedy, and I'm starting to miss Ronald Reagan. I can't believe I just said that <g>
> You owe me a keyboard, and will DWG clean a monitor? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> Let's put two oil guys in the White House, and put the retarded one in >> charge of the crooked one, and see what happens!
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Barry - 11 Sep 2005 21:26 GMT Greedy oligarchs operating outside the will of the public & the law are pretty worthless, what ever party they are from.
> Dave is my kind of conservative, he knows there are poor leaders in > all flavors, same as I do. i.e. I'm no fan of Ted Kennedy, and I'm [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > 60? Hawk > 53 Starlight Dave's Place - 11 Sep 2005 02:04 GMT > You owe me a keyboard, and will DWG clean a monitor? I think it would, and I think I owe you some. <G>
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--Shiva-- - 10 Sep 2005 23:48 GMT On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:40:53 GMT, you wrote:
>Do not forget that producers pay taxes at the well head, which is passed on >to consumers, and that you pay a high tax at the pump funny, tax in my state, POSTED on the pumps usually is 35 cents for gas and 40 for diesel.. that leaves, currently, 2.38 for the gas, transportation, markup, sellers profit, etc etc etc.. so, if the oil COMPANIES are reporting record profits- why does it seem that that profit is pretty much tax free? due to breaks etc???
--Shiva--
--Shiva-- - 10 Sep 2005 23:43 GMT On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:21:43 -0400, you wrote:
>Congress is holding hearings right now on gas prices. Oil company execs >were not subpoened (sp?), but prices at the rack have come down 25 cents in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >BUT, when these producers of strategic commodities collude to screw the >American public, they need to be penalized. its 2.73 here right now..
I read that Exxon reported a PROFIT of 8 1/3 BILLION last quarter.. gee.. --Shiva--
John Poulos - 10 Sep 2005 23:53 GMT Did that include the money they got from the new energy bill to look for new oil they can screw us for ? <g>
> I read that Exxon reported a PROFIT of 8 1/3 BILLION last > quarter.. > gee.. > --Shiva-- > >
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Grumpy AuContraire - 11 Sep 2005 01:26 GMT Naw... That's a bonus!
JT
> Did that include the money they got from the new energy bill to look > for new oil they can screw us for ? <g> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > 60? Hawk > 53 Starlight 64daytonaht - 11 Sep 2005 15:17 GMT Yep! Them tricky book keepers can made a small profit look huge! I wonder what a huge profit would look like?
Bo
Grumpy AuContraire - 11 Sep 2005 16:02 GMT Well, When it comes to cookin' the books, I don't think thar's any substitute for the guv'ment in dat dare dept....
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JT
> Yep! Them tricky book keepers can made a small profit look huge! I wonder > what a huge profit would look like? > > Bo Mark - 11 Sep 2005 17:29 GMT Where to start, it is hard to believe that such total ignorance really exists, I will make this as elementary as possible for you liberals! Gas prices are what they are not because of the President or Halliburton, but because of an economic attitude typically referred too as 'Price and Demand'. This reality (price & demand) is universal in it's affect on 'market-forces'. When the consumption of a commodity goes beyond production price are going to rise, i.e. when more and more people become attracted to Studebaker vehicles (restored / un-restored) the parts to maintain and renovate these vehicles will rise. Come on now, I think we have all seen the prices of NOS parts on eBay get absolutely ridiculous, now is 'Bo' responsible for someone paying an obscene amount of money for an NOS pickup bumper, I think not! Even though you liberals don't like to hear it, the only way to get the prices down is to increase production i.e. Anwar Alaska. In order to bring gas prices down, we need to decrease our dependency on foreign oil and increase production here at home also we need less regulations and more refineries producing gas. If we want to blame anyone for the increase of gas prices as well as Stude parts, we need to start with ourselves, for creating such a huge demand and strain on production or lack of it. We could also point our finger at our Law makers (liberals) for over-regulating the oil industry.
Jeff DeWitt - 11 Sep 2005 18:50 GMT I love how the Congresscritters keep having hearings to determine who is responsible for various problems or crises but very often if they want to find the real culprit (or one of the major ones) they don't need a hearing, all they need to do is look in a mirror.
Lets see, just who was it that passed the laws making it so difficult to build new refineries, or to drill for more oil?
Jeff DeWitt
> Congress is holding hearings right now on gas prices. Oil company execs > were not subpoened (sp?), but prices at the rack have come down 25 cents in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > BUT, when these producers of strategic commodities collude to screw the > American public, they need to be penalized. Barry - 11 Sep 2005 21:30 GMT Hey, those congress creeps have to obtain support from the tree-huggers!
> I love how the Congresscritters keep having hearings to determine who is > responsible for various problems or crises but very often if they want [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > BUT, when these producers of strategic commodities collude to screw the > > American public, they need to be penalized.
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