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Dexter - 10 Sep 2005 17:21 GMT
Congress is holding hearings right now on gas prices.  Oil company execs
were not subpoened (sp?), but prices at the rack have come down 25 cents in
the past week.  Isn't that an odd coincidence????
I don't think thay should get their fingers slapped, I think thay should get
their butts kicked and their treasuries fined in major proportions!
Here's the deal.  I do not like government regulation and intervention!
BUT, when these producers of strategic commodities collude to screw the
American public, they need to be penalized.
Barry - 10 Sep 2005 18:40 GMT
There is some truth to that, but as long as crude stays so high, gas will be
out of sight.
Do not forget that producers pay taxes at the well head, which is passed on
to consumers, and that you pay a high tax at the pump. World-wide energy
consumption is continuing to increase, which means that production will have
to drastically increase, or prices will keep going up.
Domestically, exploration is tightly regulated, & expensive, & many rich
deposits are not available to producers.
> Congress is holding hearings right now on gas prices.  Oil company execs
> were not subpoened (sp?), but prices at the rack have come down 25 cents in
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> BUT, when these producers of strategic commodities collude to screw the
> American public, they need to be penalized.
Grumpy AuContraire - 10 Sep 2005 19:45 GMT
That doesn't negate the fact that Bush signed a bad energy law.  One
that gave big oil a green light to run rampant without accountability.
Funny that the same Congress that passed that bill into law now wants to
investigate the same oil companies that were provided carte blanche incentives.

It's time to outsource Congress or at least bring back the windfall
profits tax and put that to work on alternative energy research.  Big
oil certainly is not interested in anything of that sort...

JT

(Who wishes that he could be dictator for ten years...)

> There is some truth to that, but as long as crude stays so high, gas will be
> out of sight.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> > BUT, when these producers of strategic commodities collude to screw the
> > American public, they need to be penalized.
64daytonaht - 10 Sep 2005 20:09 GMT
Big Oil and GW.  Hmmmmm?  I wonder what the connection could be?  Can you
say "Haliburton"?

Bo
Grumpy AuContraire - 10 Sep 2005 22:32 GMT
I don't think that Haliburton is the culprit here.  It's the big
producers that have us by the short hairs and there isn't much that can
be done about it if the leadership is sleeping with 'em...

OTOH, Haliburton is like the old AT&T, when a management firm was needed
for early ABM R&D, they were the only one that could do the job.  In
fact, they were told that they would have to do it.  There were no bids.

Things sure have change since then...

JT

> Big Oil and GW.  Hmmmmm?  I wonder what the connection could be?  Can you
> say "Haliburton"?
>
> Bo
Dave's Place - 10 Sep 2005 23:13 GMT
> Big Oil and GW.  Hmmmmm?  I wonder what the connection could be?  Can you
> say "Haliburton"?

HEY!  I've got an idea!

Let's put two oil guys in the White House, and put the retarded one in
charge of the crooked one, and see what happens!
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Pat Drnec - 11 Sep 2005 01:28 GMT
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>>Big Oil and GW.  Hmmmmm?  I wonder what the connection could be?  Can you
>>say "Haliburton"?
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> Let's put two oil guys in the White House, and put the retarded one in
> charge of the crooked one, and see what happens!

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John Poulos - 11 Sep 2005 01:55 GMT
   Dave is my kind of conservative, he knows there are poor leaders in
all flavors, same as I do. i.e. I'm no fan of Ted Kennedy, and I'm
starting to miss Ronald Reagan. I can't believe I just said that <g>

> You owe me a keyboard, and will DWG clean a monitor?
>
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>> Let's put two oil guys in the White House, and put the retarded one in
>> charge of the crooked one, and see what happens!

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Barry - 11 Sep 2005 21:26 GMT
Greedy oligarchs operating outside the will of the public & the law are
pretty worthless, what ever party they are from.

>     Dave is my kind of conservative, he knows there are poor leaders in
> all flavors, same as I do. i.e. I'm no fan of Ted Kennedy, and I'm
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> 53 Starlight
Dave's Place - 11 Sep 2005 02:04 GMT
> You owe me a keyboard, and will DWG clean a monitor?

I think it would, and I think I owe you some.  <G>
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--Shiva-- - 10 Sep 2005 23:48 GMT
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:40:53 GMT,  you wrote:

>Do not forget that producers pay taxes at the well head, which is passed on
>to consumers, and that you pay a high tax at the pump

funny, tax in my state, POSTED on the pumps usually is 35 cents
for gas and 40 for diesel..
that leaves, currently, 2.38 for the gas, transportation,
markup, sellers profit, etc etc etc..
so, if the oil COMPANIES are reporting record profits- why does
it seem that that profit is pretty much tax free? due to breaks
etc???

    --Shiva--
   
   
--Shiva-- - 10 Sep 2005 23:43 GMT
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:21:43 -0400,  you wrote:

>Congress is holding hearings right now on gas prices.  Oil company execs
>were not subpoened (sp?), but prices at the rack have come down 25 cents in
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>BUT, when these producers of strategic commodities collude to screw the
>American public, they need to be penalized.

its 2.73 here right now..

I read that Exxon reported a PROFIT of 8 1/3 BILLION last
quarter..
gee..
    --Shiva--
   
   
John Poulos - 10 Sep 2005 23:53 GMT
   Did that include the money they got from the new energy bill to look
for new oil they can screw us for ? <g>

>  I read that Exxon reported a PROFIT of 8 1/3 BILLION last
> quarter..
> gee..
>      --Shiva--
>      
>      

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Grumpy AuContraire - 11 Sep 2005 01:26 GMT
Naw...  That's a bonus!

JT

>     Did that include the money they got from the new energy bill to look
> for new oil they can screw us for ? <g>
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64daytonaht - 11 Sep 2005 15:17 GMT
Yep!  Them tricky book keepers can made a small profit look huge!  I wonder
what a huge profit would look like?

Bo
Grumpy AuContraire - 11 Sep 2005 16:02 GMT
Well, When it comes to cookin' the books, I don't think thar's any
substitute for the guv'ment in dat dare dept....

<G>

JT

> Yep!  Them tricky book keepers can made a small profit look huge!  I wonder
> what a huge profit would look like?
>
> Bo
Mark - 11 Sep 2005 17:29 GMT
Where to start, it is hard to believe that such total ignorance really
exists, I will make this as elementary as possible for you liberals!
Gas prices are what they are not because of the President or
Halliburton, but because of an economic attitude typically referred too
as 'Price and Demand'. This reality (price & demand) is universal
in it's affect on 'market-forces'. When the consumption of a
commodity goes beyond production price are going to rise, i.e. when
more and more people become attracted to   Studebaker vehicles
(restored / un-restored) the parts to maintain and renovate these
vehicles will rise. Come on now, I think we have all seen the prices of
NOS parts on eBay get absolutely ridiculous, now is 'Bo'
responsible for someone paying an obscene amount of money for an NOS
pickup bumper, I think not!  Even though you liberals don't like to
hear it, the only way to get the prices down is to increase production
i.e. Anwar Alaska. In order to bring gas prices down, we need to
decrease our dependency on foreign oil and increase production here at
home also we need less regulations and more refineries producing gas.
If we want to blame anyone for the increase of gas prices as well as
Stude parts, we need to start with ourselves, for creating such a huge
demand and strain on production or lack of it. We could also point our
finger at our Law makers (liberals) for over-regulating the oil
industry.
Jeff DeWitt - 11 Sep 2005 18:50 GMT
I love how the Congresscritters keep having hearings to determine who is
responsible for various problems or crises but very often if they want
to find the real culprit (or one of the major ones) they don't need a
hearing, all they need to do is look in a mirror.

Lets see, just who was it that passed the laws making it so difficult to
build new refineries, or to drill for more oil?

Jeff DeWitt

> Congress is holding hearings right now on gas prices.  Oil company execs
> were not subpoened (sp?), but prices at the rack have come down 25 cents in
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> BUT, when these producers of strategic commodities collude to screw the
> American public, they need to be penalized.
Barry - 11 Sep 2005 21:30 GMT
Hey, those congress creeps have to obtain support from the tree-huggers!

> I love how the Congresscritters keep having hearings to determine who is
> responsible for various problems or crises but very often if they want
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> > BUT, when these producers of strategic commodities collude to screw the
> > American public, they need to be penalized.
 
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