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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / September 2005Stude Market all Dried Up ??
Anybody see the same ?? I see nice cars FS, and bidding far below what some (me included) expected .....What gives ? At least you can buy some of the cars you like for less than what you would think it would sell for :) Matthew > Anybody see the same ?? I see nice cars FS, and bidding far below what > some (me included) expected .....What gives ? I haven't noticed anything like that yet although I'd expect gas prices and Katrina will have some effect. I had to end a GT Hawk auction two weeks ago because it was going way above even my Buy It Now. I do notice a lot of bidders waiting until the last minute, but I haven't been able to buy anything much below marke value. breen wrote: > Anybody see the same ?? I see nice cars FS, and bidding far below what > some (me included) expected .....What gives ?  SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight There is a definite downturn (at least in the short term) as I've scored a few items that were previously to rich for my blood. That $10-40 per week that is no longer in one's pocket has to be having an effect. JT > I haven't noticed anything like that yet although I'd expect gas > prices and Katrina will have some effect. I had to end a GT Hawk auction [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > 60? Hawk > 53 Starlight I hope you're right, I'm trying to steal Goldie back.<g> > There is a definite downturn (at least in the short term) as I've scored > a few items that were previously to rich for my blood. That $10-40 per [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>60? Hawk >>53 Starlight SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight Goo dluck with that one JP. Ya know, I think it looked better before he put that $8k paint job on it. Matthew (our 63 GT is white) Burnette > I hope you're right, I'm trying to steal Goldie back.<g> > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > 60? Hawk > 53 Starlight It could be that those with interst in Studebakers are drying up <g>. I just got back from the Pacific SW Zone meet, I am 55 and felt I was one of the youngsters there. If the younger generations are not brought into the fold soon, the market will dry up and there will be no one interested in saving all those great cars that some folks have been hoarding all these years. I spent about an hour chatting with a young guy about 22 that is working on a '62 Hawk and that was very refreshing. Hope will will see some more like him soon. Otherwise the only appreciating market may be for those that have been street rodded, not that there is anything wrong with that... Pat >I hope you're right, I'm trying to steal Goldie back.<g> > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >>>60? Hawk >>>53 Starlight You do know that I am 15, have one Stude driver, and the junker 52. I would really hate to be the only person who likes Studes at my age. But then I could buy all the Studes I wanted for very little $$$. :) But that wouldn't feel right. Everyone try to get some more "young" members to join!!! Matthew > It could be that those with interst in Studebakers are drying up <g>. I > just got back from the Pacific SW Zone meet, I am 55 and felt I was one of [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > 60? Hawk > > 53 Starlight I don't think that you have much to worry about in *that* department. People have been crying the chicken little throes of death regarding Stude interest for decades. There may be fewer diehards in the future but there will be fewer cars as well... JT > You do know that I am 15, have one Stude driver, and the junker 52. I > would really hate to be the only person who likes Studes at my age. But [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > > 60? Hawk > > > 53 Starlight The younger people will be the future of Studebaker. What is needed is to keep it Studebaker. How many Fords are out there with Chey engines... how about put it on this frame... use this subframe... buy a nice pickup and use the cab and throw the rest away. How many good stude V8's have been scrapped to put an %@!*&^ engine in? Studebaker is one of the few that hasn't been chopped swapped and dropped into a franken car as badly as some of the other makes. There is a big difference between upgrade and butcher. Keep it pure to the best of your ability and enjoy. A: We'll never run out of Studebaker V8's B: The more that are swapped the more will be on the market. C: If we have the negative attitude about modifieds, we'll exclude a lot of younger members. D. Your car, your choice > The younger people will be the future of Studebaker. What is needed is > to keep it Studebaker. How many Fords are out there with Chey engines... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Keep it pure to the best of your ability and enjoy. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight So if it's your car and your choice of course I agree. So why not influence the young and old to honor the pure when ever possible. There are plenty of Studes out there that it would be nearly impossible to restore... go ahead and chop and swap or what ever. But then there are still some factory pure stuff that ought to stay that way. > A: We'll never run out of Studebaker V8's B: The more that are swapped > the more will be on the market. C: If we have the negative attitude > about modifieds, we'll exclude a lot of younger members. D. Your car, > your choice You're talking in circles. Lee > So if it's your car and your choice of course I agree. So why not > influence the young and old to honor the pure when ever possible. There > are plenty of Studes out there that it would be nearly impossible to > restore... go ahead and chop and swap or what ever. But then there are > still some factory pure stuff that ought to stay that way. What I am trying to say is there is plenty of junk out there that can be modified. It just breaks my heart to see a stock piece of history in good condition not restored to represent times and craftsmanship of another time. One sure way to keep the past is to help those just starting out appreciate the engineering and talent it takes to restore a vintage automobile. Actually, it takes a stern discipline to restore a vehicle 'only' to 'stock', and go no further than the original manufacturers' intent, which was budget driven, production driven, and limited to the technology of the day. Studebakers are easy to restore. Just follow the manual and build sheet. Studebakers are hard to restore when it comes to the 'correct' item that is needed. Your concern, so plainly written, is that a rarity should be kept 'as is', which in many cases is indeed the thing to do. Your lumping everything else into a junk category shows a narrow view of this hobby. That'll make the narrow view club meetings fun, but won't do a damned thing to bring new blood into the hobby. Guess that doesn't concern you though. Kind of sad in a way. Jeff "Dolphin" wrote... > What I am trying to say is there is plenty of junk out there that can be > modified. It just breaks my heart to see a stock piece of history in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > appreciate the engineering and talent it takes to restore a vintage > automobile. On one thing we can agree, it breaks my heart too, I feel the same way about other matters of personal taste. I'd rather see a rough car rodded and I'd rather not see a bunch of factory accessories screwed onto a 53-54 C-K. In both cases, I can only hope that my opinion might 'save' the car, but it's the owners opinion that counts. > What I am trying to say is there is plenty of junk out there that can be > modified. It just breaks my heart to see a stock piece of history in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > appreciate the engineering and talent it takes to restore a vintage > automobile. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight I did not mean 'junk' as a derogatory term. I love junk. I also seldom have the discipline to keep it totally pure and stock. I recently bought a 2r11 3/4 ton pickup with the intention of doing a NAPCO style conversion using slightly more modern components but still maintaining the look and feel of 1953. A voice in one ear says keep it stock and pure from 6 volt flat head six to 3spd od and manual steering. On the other shoulder I hear power steering, power brakes, 12volt modern radio, fuel injection, turbocharger, etc. At any rate if I want it to remain my daily driver I'm going to have to replace the multi part rims and bias ply tube tires. The Timken rear axle is sorely in need of rebuilding. Do I cheat and put in a dana 60? If so do I retain the six lug or go eight? Disc brakes would be nice. A larger fuel tank so I don't have to be constantly reminded of what gas costs. So I push the clutch to the floor pull the choke and start her up. Sneak out on to the freeway listen to the flat head six come to life, ease up on the accelerator and head toward 60 mph as the od kicks in. Then ponder the last time I had a blow out with tube type tires... Put a drag link on wrong on an old Mercedes and drove in circles too Studebigotry at it's finest..... Think about what you just said and who it will satisfy. Nice attitude. Betcha it creeped in from some other personal foible. "Dolphin" wrote... > The younger people will be the future of Studebaker. What is needed is > to keep it Studebaker. How many Fords are out there with Chey engines... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Keep it pure to the best of your ability and enjoy. Money is tight, and the division between have and don't have has grown larger. Take a look around, GM/Ford/DB that family/employee discount slashes almost $11,000 off some models, and as little as $2300 off some Cadillac prices, but they are trying to find buyers for these cars. If folks need this high of an incentive to buy, lease, or buy with a balloon payment, than how do you expect these folks from buying a toy that when done is going to cost anywhere from twice to ten times purchase price. I've seen the same kind of post every few months, when you see me get a "real job" it's happened.<g> > Money is tight, and the division between have and don't have has grown > larger. Take a look around, GM/Ford/DB that family/employee discount [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > payment, than how do you expect these folks from buying a toy that when done > is going to cost anywhere from twice to ten times purchase price. SignatureJP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight |
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