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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / September 2005

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Distributor backwards??

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Paul Johnson - 21 Sep 2005 12:36 GMT
How do you install a distributor backwards?
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Paul Johnson
kelmbaker@msn.com - 21 Sep 2005 12:46 GMT
180 degees off?

> How do you install a distributor backwards?
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> Paul Johnson
Michael - Roseland FL - 21 Sep 2005 13:01 GMT
At $100.00 the reserve should be met on that one
Mike S. - 21 Sep 2005 16:01 GMT
Another day we will all discuss Quebec--I had a great adventure with the
Avanti in Sorel, but it involved the water pump ending up 180 degrees off...
A friend of mine rebuilt an Ariel Square Four, and put the CAMSHAFT in
end-for-end backward, and it ran.  Backfired once in awhile, but started
good (rare for an Ariel).
I have heard the 180 story about both Delco and Prestolite units, and
(according to the stories) they always did run.

> 180 degees off?
>
> > How do you install a distributor backwards?

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Lee - 21 Sep 2005 13:45 GMT
If the distributor is in backwards (180 out???) and it has never been
started since rebuild, how does he know it runs and has low oil
pressure????????

>How do you install a distributor backwards?
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/G463363_W0QQitemZ4577090183QQcategoryZ6466QQrdZ1Q
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>Paul Johnson

Lee DeLaBarre
Daytona62
64daytonaht - 21 Sep 2005 14:37 GMT
Lee,

If you can figure this one out, your a much better mechanic then I am.

I installed a new crate engine in an 85 GMC 3/4 ton work van, complete with
new everything including distributor.  The thing ran perfect, except that it
continually ran rich and would backfire if you deccelerated to quickly.

After repeated adjustments to the Quadrajunk carb, resetting timing,
checking wires, plugs and just about everything else I could think of, I
took it first to the local GMC dealership, then to the Chevrolet dealership.
The GMC dealership said they couldn't work on it, as it was to old and none
of their mechanics had any experience with anything like it?  It wasn't even
in their computer for parts, anymore!

The Chevrolet dealership agreed to work on it, but would take several days.
It spent 2 weeks in the shop there!  When I went to pick it up the lead
mechanic had written up the problem as "ingnition plug wiring installed 180
degrees out and reversed in sequence".  Yet, the thing ran perfect when I
drove it in?

I scratched my head, and ask the guy and the shop foreman to show me what he
was talking about.  So, he proceeds to move the plug wires on the
distributor 180 degrees and then reverses the order in which they should
have been on the distributor.  The result, it wouldn't run!

I then ask him how the vehicle had gotten into the shop for service.  His
answer, "Well sir, you drove it in here the other day, and showed us what it
was doing out in the parking lot, why?"

Need I say, I left without having to pay the hugh bill!

Bo
oldcarfart - 21 Sep 2005 15:07 GMT
does it have an O2 sensor?  these things can drive you nuts.  The unit
may ohm out good but be glazed on the shell, recommended replacement is
50K miles, I found out the hard way ($$$) to use BOSCH or equivelent as
the brand "W" ones suck. BTDT.
Robert Black - 21 Sep 2005 15:27 GMT
Once I was driving through the "swamp" Quebec,and it was just coming on dark
and starting to snow hard.
Quebec is a BMF of a province,esrecially if your route takes you through
nothern Ontario as mine did.
I just noticed the pedal get a little mushhy and the "Brake" light stayed
on,so I pulled into a nearby Candaian Tire,opened the door and stuck my head
down under the car and pumped the pedal.
Sure enough,a little shot of juice was coming out of one of the rear brake
lines that run along the rear axle.
Easy fix,but I wasn't carrying any tools in my trusty 318 powered 85
Plymouth Grand Fury.
Figuring Canadian Tire to be a reputal chain though I walked in to the
service department,and tried to explain exactcly what I wanted them to
do.Replace that one section of brake line,nothing more.
Their english was better than my French so I left the car there,and walked
over a few streets and got a room,then drank several bottles of wine with a
cute french girl ("nother story}
When my alarm went off the next morning,I was down to Canadian Tire when
they opened,to get my car.
He (same guy) proudly hands me a bill for just over 1200 dollars,as they had
replaced all the lines,wheel cylinders,turned the drums,everything..I nearly
went ballistic about the fact they did unauthorized work,1200 dollars
worth,to my 1000 dollar car.They clamied they had misunderstood me,rotten
frogs
Since I had to get up to northern Ontario I paid the theviese and got out of
there.
Theres reasons I don't like Quebek
> Lee,
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> Bo
Lee Aanderud - 21 Sep 2005 15:51 GMT
Let em guess, the French girl was the shop owner's daughter or sister... and
he found out.

Lee

> Once I was driving through the "swamp" Quebec,and it was just coming on
> dark and starting to snow hard.
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>> Bo
Grumpy AuContraire - 22 Sep 2005 17:56 GMT
Or she was the "diversion"...

JT

> Let em guess, the French girl was the shop owner's daughter or sister... and
> he found out.
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> >> Bo
Grumpy AuContraire - 21 Sep 2005 13:55 GMT
Wired based on "clockwise" rotation???

JT

(Who actually did that once...)

> How do you install a distributor backwards?
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> Paul Johnson
Greg Meyers - 22 Sep 2005 14:53 GMT
My guess
> How do you install a distributor backwards?

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Greg Meyers - 22 Sep 2005 14:57 GMT
My guess is that when the engine was reassembled, the shaft of the oil pump
was not "timed" with the cam. This is painful, since the oil pan must be off
and the shaft inserted from the inside, out.  The end of the shaft runs
through the oil pump bld

> How do you install a distributor backwards?

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> Paul Johnson
Greg Meyers - 22 Sep 2005 14:57 GMT
The oil pu
> How do you install a distributor backwards?

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Greg Meyers - 22 Sep 2005 15:02 GMT
The oil pump shaft must have been inserted "out of time" with the cam.  This
is done from the inside, with the pan off, and it then is keyed into the oil
pump drive gear on the outside.  If studied carefully for location of the
rotor when the engine is turned to number one-compression, the wires could
be rerouted and distributor rotated some to get it all to work without
dropping the pan again.....
Greg
Salt2Salt.com

> How do you install a distributor backwards?

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> Paul Johnson
Greg Meyers - 22 Sep 2005 16:37 GMT
My guess is that the oil pump shaft, installed from the inside of the
crankcase, was out of phase with the cam. It can be made to work by finding
the rotor position when cylinder #1 is set to fire and adjusting the plug
wires accordingly. (Ask me how I know......)
Greg
salt2salt.com

> How do you install a distributor backwards?

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