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Buying your first Studebaker
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midlant@earthlink.net - 22 Sep 2005 06:05 GMT We have nothing like this on the SDC website, so, after contacting the webmaster, I have come up with this. I recognize that it still needs smoothing.
I seek comments, good or bad.
Karl Haas
BEFORE YOU SPRING FOR CAN OLD CAR
There are many reasons why having an old car might appeal to people, from just having an interesting "Daily Driver" up to aiming for the top prize at Hershey. Old car ownership has made good family projects. Old cars are used as attention-grabbers for business. (If you're thinking of this one, take into account who will be driving it - do you really want a minimum-wage kid behind the wheel?) Others may see one as just an interesting weekend vehicle that can also fill in as a spare car. Some seek an occasional return to their youth by having a car from that era. Many see this as a productive, and perhaps profitable, way to learn and practice car repair skills, even if they are paying themselves pennies per hour. Many enjoy using an old car for wedding rentals.
Many, avoid the standard old car and get one to modify as rod or custom.
Whatever your aim, there are things you should take into account, based largely on your goal and what assets you have.
Job #1: PAINT THIS ON YOUR GARAGE WALL: "You will spend more than you plan to spend." "The lower the price of the car, the more it will cost in the end"
Basically, Unless you are willing to go through a series of cars, losing money on most of them, the best plan is to thoroughly study those cars which interest you and get the best one of them you can afford.
What should you have in your "tool kit?"
Sufficient inside workspace and storage space Time and patience Good skill levels where needed, or the ability to learn Required tools, supplies and equipment or the cash to buy them as needed. Enough strength and co-ordination to do the work
If these are lacking, plan on substituting barrels full of money.
(Personal note, I started out lacking all of the above, including the money, yet I've had a great for forty years in the hobby.)
What Studebaker to buy - Let's take a look at selecting a Studebaker.
First off, join the Studebaker Drivers Club and the local Chapter. This is likely to be the best investment in your car hobby that you will make.
In the library or auto museum, if there is one handy, look for books that describe various old cars. One I often use in my volunteer work in an auto museum library is Standard Catalog of American Cars. This comes in at least two volumes: up to WWII and 1946 - 1975. There may be one for later years, but that is of no interest to me! These are Krause Publications books and SDC members wrote the Studebaker sections.
Old Cars Price Guide, a monthly magazine, gives you a guide to price range of selected marques. Selected, in that they do not list prices of Studebaker six cylinder cars after 1960. That's in the example I have at hand. Understandably, they also don't list cars in the lower grades, such as "Restorable" and "parts cars."
Once you have found several year/model Studebakers that interest you, ask your fellow chapter members to look at their Turning Wheel Index for issues featuring the cars of interest to you. Next, buy or borrow the magazines, and read more about the cars. Also check with chapter members to see who actually have live cars like those you want so you can look at them closely. As Mister Packard used to say, "Ask the man who owns one."
Places to see a great variety of Studebaker will be at larger meets. Each Zone has at least one Zone Meet a year in addition to numerous Chapter meets within that zone. There is also the International Meet, where you may see several hundred Studebakers. A large meet which fits into neither of these categories is the La Palma meet held in the spring near Los Angeles. There are several other such gatherings - read Turning Wheels for details.
By talking with car owners at the various meets and on other occasions, you will find out in greater detail what it's like to live with these cars, in general or regarding specific cars. You'll also pick up the finer points to consider. One example is the choice between the perceived greater beauty of a K (Hardtop) Lowey / Burke "Coupe" as opposed to the quieter and theoretically safer pillared C model.
If the kind owner will let you, slide behind the wheel and try it for fit. If you weigh 250 pounds and have a gimpy left leg, you might find that the dream Avanti could become a nightmare!
Another valuable point to pick up through chatter is who might be the best venders to buy from, as far as price and quality, and who might be the best to avoid. For example, reproduction trim, like nameplates, may be a bit shorter between mounting pegs due to shrinkage, whereas other vendors may have moved a mold pin slightly to compensate for this problem. This can be significant during a 2AM assembly on the day of the judging!
Karl Haas
John Poulos - 22 Sep 2005 06:44 GMT Might add some Studebaker specific stuff to look for:
http://stude.com/buy.htm
> We have nothing like this on the SDC website, so, after contacting the > webmaster, I have come up with this. [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > > Karl Haas
 Signature JP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight
midlant@earthlink.net - 23 Sep 2005 00:16 GMT John, I am trying yo convince the reader of the value of Chapter contact, and will want them to wnat6 to seek them out. Perhaps I misunderstood you - please offer examples of Studebaker-specific stuff.
Karl
John Poulos - 23 Sep 2005 00:29 GMT T thought the hints of what to look for on Studebakers might be helpful. i.e. typical rust area's and the like.
> John, I am trying yo convince the reader of the value of Chapter > contact, and will want them to wnat6 to seek them out. > Perhaps I misunderstood you - please offer examples of > Studebaker-specific stuff. > > Karl
 Signature JP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight
Jeff Rice - 23 Sep 2005 00:36 GMT http://vintagecars.about.com/od/buyingselling/ht/buy_caution.htm
How To Know Whether a Vintage Car is Right for You
A vintage or classic car can bring you great joy, but it may also be painfully expensive. The truth is, vintage car ownership can sometimes be an illusion because not everyone is suited to the hobby, financially or otherwise. The good news is that by using these tips and proceeding with caution you could soon be at the wheel of the car of your dreams. Some of which may be as old as the car you're about to buy. Difficulty: Average
Time Required: A week of cautious thinking
Here's How: 1. Ask yourself if you can really afford a vintage or classic, remembering that if something breaks it could end up costing a small fortune in repairs. This is especially true of rare or exotic vehicles. Parts may be hard to find, thus the car could be out of service for a lengthy period. Can you handle repairs on your own? Got the talent and experience for restoration? Great... but if not, be prepared to dig deep.
2. Always have a "reserve" set aside for unexpected repair costs. A friend who restores and sells collector cars suggests a minimum of at least $3000. More if the car is a rare exotic. But then, if you're buying a Bugatti or a Deusenberg, you probably don't need our advice.
3. Will your vintage or classic be an "everyday driver?" Daily use puts a strain on old parts and systems. Not that a collector car can't be driven regularly but it had better be dependable; something that starts on demand, can be readily repaired, has parts that are easy to find. And a driver who can afford the price of breakdowns.
4. If the car needs restoration will you be paying someone to do the work or are you planning a do-it-yourself project? Among other things, consider the space you'll need to disassemble and store that vintage beauty. Half-finished restoration projects can lead to frayed tempers and even, though we hate to suggest it, marriage problems.
5. If you are planning to drive your vintage beauty on public roads keep in mind that it was built for a different time; slower traffic, less highway congestion, more tolerant drivers. Those old drum brakes may not be adequate for a panic stop in modern traffic so learn to adapt. Non-power steering will require muscle. Earlier power steering systems are slow and sloppy. Turn signals, if they exist, might be invisible to traffic accustomed to big, bright blinkers.
6. It may be necessary to arrange special insurance for a collectible. Be aware that older cars do not have the anti-theft devices nor the serial number database of newer cars. Hot-wiring an older car is child's play.
7. Your "significant other" had better be as excited about the plan as you are. She may be thinking of a new kitchen or that trip to Rome you always promised. Budget with your lady in mind or you may be forced to choose between two loves. Hot tip: Get her involved and with luck she'll soon be on your side. Couples do have a lot of fun in the classic and vintage car hobby; introduce her to like-minded people.
8. And finally, though this may seem repetitive after all we've said, get your financial ducks in order before you begin. Falling in love with a car and making a commitment without sufficient planning is, if you'll forgive a cliché, a recipe for disaster.
9. If you've done it right, as suggested above, you can have the fun of searching for that dream car. And that, indeed, can be a lot of fun. Just be cautious, be prepared to pull back and wait if necessary, perhaps even accept a little less than what you'd planned.
Jeff Rice - 23 Sep 2005 00:37 GMT http://www.classic-british-cars.com/car-buyers-guide.html
Car Buyers Guide How to Buy a Classic Car
If you are considering the purchase of a classic car and don't know where to begin, perhaps these suggestions may serve as a guide.
1.. Determine what you are looking for. 2.. Do some basic research. 3.. Ask the initial questions. 4.. Test drive the car. 5.. Get a professional inspection. 6.. Do the paperwork.
Determine what you are looking for.
When shopping for a used/abused/adored/restored classic car you have choices ranging from cars that have to be hauled in a trailer because it's basically just a bunch of loosely connected parts to cars that you want to haul in a trailer to protect it's museum quality restoration. Your first level of decision making is to determine where in this spectrum you want start.
Questions to consider include:
a.. Do you want to do a major restoration? b.. Are you interested in and capable of doing some mechanical work yourself? c.. Do you want a car you can drive every day? d.. Would you enjoy entering your car in competitions? e.. Do you just want a great looking car to drive on weekends in good weather? f.. Are you buying as an investment?
The answer to these questions determine how you measure the flaws you are certainly going to find.
Do some basic research.
If this is your first venture into this fantasy land, you obviously have more research to do than an experienced owner. A good investment of your time, even if you are not a first-timer, is to do some pricing research. The "beginner" should spend at least a little time reading about some of the characteristics and unusual maintenance requirements of the different models.
Pricing research can begin here looking at the Classic Car Classifieds can give you a very good idea of what is available and the general prices of the different makes and models. Another excellent source of information is "Miller's Collectors Cars Price Guide 2003/4".
There are many classic car clubs located throughout the world. Joining or visiting one of these clubs would give you the opportunity to talk with some car owners who will gladly share their experiences with you about the practical side of owning their Austin Healey. Ask questions such as how easy or difficult is it to find a good mechanic for repairs, do you need to use leaded gasoline, what would they be sure to look for if they were buying another Austin Healey. In a single evening at one of their meetings, you could learn things that would help prevent much grief later. A very good list of car clubs can be found at www.Classic-British-Cars.com.
Ask the initial questions.
When you locate a car you want to pursue, be prepared with a list of questions you want answered. Having an actual printed, in-your-hand list will help you remember the important issues and help prevent the conversation from wandering. Let me re-state a point to keep in mind when doing this initial investigation - you will find problems. Any car you look at will be 30 to 50 years old (or older). If it was in absolutely perfect condition, the price would be prohibitive unless you are prepared to pay for a museum quality car.
Keep in mind there are two basic types of questions: questions with factual answers and questions with opinion answers. Questions like "How long have you owned the car?" and "Have you had problems getting repair parts?" have easy, factual answers. Asking "How does it run?" or "How does it look?" is asking for their opinion. It is my opinion that asking the factual questions first are easier for the seller to answer and help lay the foundation for the opinion question. The answer to "Who does your drive-train and engine repairs?" not only gets you the name of a source of repairs, but also lets you know that repairs have been needed.
We have prepared a list of question on a "printer-friendly" page. Some buyers have found it helpful to cut and paste the list to a text editor or word processor so they can make changes and editions. To see our list Click Here.
If you think we have left out a valuable question, email Classic British Cars. We appreciate your help.
Test drive the car.
Now for the fun part! You have located a candidate, scheduled a test drive, and now you are ready to actually see and drive what is, quite possibly, going to be the fulfillment of your dream. A reality is that letting you (or me!) judge one of these classic cars is as dangerous as letting a nineteen-year-old with raging hormones select a mate for life. Before laying eyes on this beauty, we need to determine, as rationally as possible, what are going to be the minimum requirements for appearance and performance. Our next goal is make a clear assessment of the car. To aid in this process, we suggest that you go prepared with the proper tools and a checklist to insure that things are not over-looked in the passion of the moment. One extra benefit of being prepared is that the seller will realize you are a serious buyer who is likely to discover the car's weaknesses and perhaps will be more complete in describing the car's condition.
The first things you want to evaluate are the condition of the bodywork and appearance issues. In general, bodywork is more expensive than mechanical work. The biggest enemy of a classic car is rust. You need to look for rust with the same zeal as a detective covering a crime scene. We discuss this more on our checklist.
Next you need to confirm the mechanical condition. Keep in mind you are not looking for a car with absolutely no problems. You just want to know what needs to done immediately, what will need to done soon, and is this car capable of being maintained and available for your driving pleasure.
Jeff Rice - 23 Sep 2005 00:44 GMT http://channels.netscape.com/autos/package.jsp?name=autos/buying_classic1
Buying a Classic Car By Eric Peters 03/31/05
Picking out a classic car you'd like to own is easy. It's finding (and buying) the thing that can be as challenging as a full-on rotisserie restoration.
Finding it involves scouring "Antique and Collectible" classifieds ads (Hemmings Motor News, Old Car Trader, etc.) and checking with clubs devoted to the make/model you're after (for example, the Pontiac Oakland Club International) to find a candidate.
Unless you're incredibly lucky when you find a car up for sale, it won't be local, maybe not even in your part of the country. This is where things begin to get tough. You can proceed from afar, trusting the seller's honesty as well as his perception of what such terms as "slight rust" might mean, or you can road trip (by plane, train or automobile) to actually check it out yourself. The first option involves a lot less expense and hassle up front, but the second option might save you a lot of heavy-duty grief later on, even if you do burn up some gas, airfare, time and trouble.
Personally, I'd recommend inspecting the vehicle yourself. There are so many advantages it's almost a no-brainer. They include:
Being able to talk at length with the seller in person about the car. It's much harder for a seller with something to hide to bamboozle you in person than it is over the phone. He has to look you in the eye, and you can use your "Cheese-o-Meter" to sniff out any bad vibes.
Being able to do an actual walk-around and crawl around. A car that looks like a show winner in a JPEG digital snapshot might hold up a lot less well in person. You'll be able to sight down the quarter panels for evidence of Bondo (Bring a magnet, too. Wrap it in tissue paper and use it to check for body filler and rust repair. If it doesn't stick to a panel that ought to be metal, you can bet your Quadrajet something is fishy.) as well as eyeball the undercarriage for signs of serious problems such as frame rot. (Be very suspicious of recently applied black undercoating. This stuff is often used by shady sellers to disguise Swiss-cheese floor pans and frame rails.)
Being able to actually hear the engine and drive the car. Some people have been lucky and bought a collectible car they've never even sat in until the day the truck brings it to their driveway. And while most people involved in the old car hobby are exceptionally nice, as well as above board, there are some stinky clowns out there who will sell you a Motor-Honeyed turducken with 180,000 miles on the clock instead of 80,000. In contrast to modern cars, it is incredibly easy to roll back the odometer on a car built in the 1960s or 1970s. And it's equally easy to do an el-cheapo "rebuild" to get the engine to stop smoking, at least for a little while. These are things you'll be much more likely to detect if you're there in the flesh behind the wheel of your new baby.
Being able to negotiate. Nothing beats being physically at the seller's place with cash in hand when it comes to whittling down the price. He wants to get rid of the car, and there you are, wad of bills distending your pocket. The immediacy, the nearness of the boodle, is an enticement that just can't be equaled by making offers over the phone. After all, you might change your mind, leaving the seller holding the bag. But if you're a seller looking to get $18,500 for your mint '67 Mustang and have already dealt with half a dozen Internet tire kickers, it's mighty tempting to accept a real-deal offer of $17,900 from that nice dude you've just spent half an hour with in your driveway.
On the other hand, sometimes you've got no choice but to buy from afar sight unseen. If your dream car is highly unusual or very rare, opportunities are often few and far between. You may not have the luxury of time to get out to see the car before someone else beats you to it. Rather than lose what may be a once in a lifetime (or at least once every five to 10 years) opportunity, it may be necessary to dig deep and hope for the best.
But you can hedge your bet, at least a little.
a.. Ask the seller if he'd agree to accept a deposit to hold the car and hold off other buyers until you can make arrangements to see it yourself (or have a trusted friend do it for you). If the car turns out to be less than you had imagined or had been led to believe, you can always walk away and lose only the deposit instead of being stuck with the keys to a clunker.
b.. Ask the seller to provide you with the car's Vehicle Identification Number (and any other supporting documentation) to back up claims of the vehicle's status as a collectible. There are unscrupulous people out there who will take a standard-issue model of an older car (for example, a six-cylinder Chevelle) and, with aftermarket and reproduction parts and trim, create a faux collectible (in this case, an SS 396 Chevelle). Many of these clones are superb, and the only way to tell the difference is by a thorough examination of the VIN, engine stampings, body codes and so on. But a clone is worth far less than a real-deal original.
c.. If you are not extremely knowledgeable about the particular car you're looking at, find someone who is to advise and coach you about the right questions to ask the seller. You can find such an advisor in a club devoted to the make/model car you're thinking about buying. For example, Pontiac Oakland Club International has a membership base of hobbyists devoted to classic Pontiacs such as the GTO and Firebird with encyclopedic knowledge they're usually happy to share with someone interested in getting into the hobby. Lastly, always listen to your gut. If it tells you something's not right even if the car looks great, take a long minute to think very hard about doing the deal. As anyone who has been at this game for awhile can tell you, that inner sense that something's not quite kosher is almost always right on the money.
Ignore it at your peril!
midlant@earthlink.net - 23 Sep 2005 05:08 GMT John, I am working under more of a handicap than usual. I have a rectangle in the middle of my screen: "This program has performed an illegal opoeration... and I missed the link. I would think that something like "Numerous guides are available through this SDC site to inspect a potential purchase. It is advisable to confer with member of your chapter before doing your first inspection."
If we get a real klutz who thinks that he can do it and ends up with a clunker, we don't want him blaming us. Having a "sea daddy" to aid him take his first steps may be safer.
What you think?
Karl
Jeff Rice - 22 Sep 2005 12:40 GMT Here's a few 'suggestions' to consider....
Old car ownership has made good family projects (change to) Old car ownership can make for a good family project.
(reads a bit easier) -------------------------------------- Old cars are used as attention-grabbers for business. (If you're
> thinking of this one, take into account who will be driving it - do > you really want a minimum-wage kid behind the wheel?) (change to) Old cars can be a great marketing tool that can draw attention to your business. (Check with your insurance provider as to business use)
(I'd leave the comment about minimum wage completely out of there. It might be offensive to many.) ---------------------------------------
Others may see one as just an interesting weekend vehicle that can also fill in as a spare car. Many enjoy using an old car for wedding rentals.
(add) (Check with your insurance company. Collector vehicle insurance is readily available from many sources). ---------------------------------------
I'll keep reading and re-reading this and add a few more later... Jeff
<Karl wrote...
> We have nothing like this on the SDC website, so, after contacting the > webmaster, I have come up with this. [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > > Karl Haas midlant@earthlink.net - 23 Sep 2005 00:12 GMT I will also be adding some quotes from the SDC Forum and deleting my version of them. I'll give a plug toNG and Forum, also.
Jeff, I appreciate your comments/suggestions about my phrasing. I was rushing rto get this on the NG before I had my evening wine and taped MC racing from Speedvision from a few days ago. Otherwise, I would have had the Forum and NG stuff included.
Keeep sending suggestions, folks.
Karl
midlant@earthlink.net - 23 Sep 2005 04:40 GMT (Quotes from the forum I may use:)
Other voices, from the SDC forum and Studebaker News Group:
"The cheapest car will cost the most" JDP
"I thought long an hard and ended up paying more than I planned. But, I had a driver "out of the box" and didn't have to sink a bunch of money into it." 65Cruiser
" Spend $7000 now and get something driveable that doesn't need major amounts of work or get the $1500 car that needed $7000 worth of work."
"Buy it cheap and spend as little as possible to get it running again and fix it up" iceman t1
Buy a car that is in good running condition and drivable. The interior need not be perfect, but should be presentable. ...buy as much as you can afford and enjoy driving it right away. Otherwise you might become frustrated and lose your enthusiasm. Studeroger
Whatever car you consider, you're better off with one that needs a lot of work but has not been poorly "restored."... If you're patient, handy with tools and ask questions when you have a p[roblem, any work you do ypurself will cut your cost in half. Rockne10
Find the absolute best Studebaker you can afford, spend just a little more than you planned to nobtain it, and enjoy. Studedude1961
...join your local chapter and talk to the other members about what you want and how much you can afford. Longtime members Have llots of contacts and could steer you to a very nice car at a decent price. GTtim
You can always sell a good car. curt
If it's a basket case, stay away, these cars are always money sumps. A lot depends on how handy you are. J
Under no circumstances start with something that will exhaust your intetest...or her's. If she ain't happy... rockne10.
Like Rog says, get a car you can drive so you won't get discouraged. It will be available if your daily Brand X conks out, too. Sumf SDC
John Poulos - 23 Sep 2005 05:00 GMT If everyone listens to your advice, who'll buy the dogs.<g>
> (Quotes from the forum I may use:) > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > Like Rog says, get a car you can drive so you won't get discouraged. > It will be available if your daily Brand X conks out, too. Sumf SDC
 Signature JP/Maryland Studebaker On the Net http://stude.com My Ebay items:http://www.stude.com/EBAY/ 64 R2 4 speed Challenger (Plain Wrapper) 63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk 62 Lark 2 door 61 Hawk 60? Hawk 53 Starlight
midlant@earthlink.net - 23 Sep 2005 07:48 GMT Those with poor memories.
Hell, they might even buy them several times over.
Karl (Very evil vendor to be, in that case) Haas
> If everyone listens to your advice, who'll buy the dogs.<g> > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > 60? Hawk > 53 Starlight Bill Clark - 25 Sep 2005 13:56 GMT Karl Most of the reviews cover the cost and comittment of buying an old car, but people just getting into it should ask themselves why they want an old car. One of the reasons I've heard a lot is that its a chance for them to do something with their kid. My experience is that adolesents want to do things with their parents, and they want to try out a lot of different things. Buying a car to restore is not like buying your kid a junior set of golf clubs and taking him out on Sunday afternoon. He or she might spend a few weeks with you working on it, but in many cases it won't be long before the car is turned into another storage unit in the garage. On the other hand, if the kid stays with it, do you want his first car to be an R2 Avanti. My point is, restoring a car might be one of the things to do with a kid, but think it through before you buy a car as a father son project. Whatever you do, be sure you have a regular no pressure time to talk to the kid.
The other point to think through is why one wants an old car and what the end result is. Do you want to have an old car to take to drive work and drive to the cruise in and show, or do you want to build a concours car? Do you want to spend no time on it, or do you want to get into something just to work on it and you don't care if you ever drive it. Thinking through the why of this deal will help answer the other questions. It will also help with the plan for how you do it. I would suggest that the first timer never buy a car they have to work on a lot, but rather get something they can drive and ease into the hobby.
Bill
> We have nothing like this on the SDC website, so, after contacting the > webmaster, I have come up with this. [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > > Karl Haas Jeff Rice - 25 Sep 2005 14:14 GMT Well said Bill... I have an acquaintance here in town that wanted to buy a '49 F1 Ford for his dad. His dad always spoke of the old pickup he had and said it was his favorite. He wanted to have a fairly easy father/son project. He asked me to look around for him. I found him three or four candidates that ran the spectrum (finished, almost done, just started, and barn fresh).. I advised my friend to buy one that was drivable so they could outer around in it and tinker with it. He looked and bought a rough truck that had been gone through quick to turn for a few bucks and had an older Maaco style paint job. Looked ok until you looked close. They drove it exactly one week, then they sent it off to a body shop for a total body off rebuild and paint. Haven't seen the truck since. IMHO, they should have financed the finished truck and driven and enjoyed it the entire time they were paying it off. Time means more when you have a running clock like his father has... Jeff ( There is a direct correlation between time and money) Rice
"Bill Clark" wrote...
> Karl > Most of the reviews cover the cost and comittment of buying an old car, [quoted text clipped - 135 lines] >> >> Karl Haas midlant@earthlink.net - 27 Sep 2005 19:00 GMT You trying to make me feel old?
Maybe each chapter should set up a "Studebaker advice line" for body shops and place articles in "Bodyman Weekly" about it.
Karl
bondobill1@aol.com - 27 Sep 2005 15:40 GMT >We have nothing like this on the SDC website, so, after contacting the >webmaster, I have come up with this. >I recognize that it still needs smoothing. I would like very much to add my observations. It has been a while since I bought my last Studebaker, and since having to have the car repaired after fire many things came back to me.
There have always been two schools of thought, or possibly more. One school says, buy a car that is all there in parts etc, and possibly running. That schools reasoning is that once done you will have first hand knowledge of what was done and how well.
The other school says to buy a car that is done, and buy the best car you can afford based on your budget.
Last year I saw a Speedster that possibly no expense was spared on its restoration, it didn't even resemble a Studebaker, it was a musseum piece, off art, not cars but art. Everything was so perfectly painted, everything was laid out under the hood and all pieces had the same care the body and and inteior had. I would love to own that car, but I could never bring myself to drive it. Why, because after 17 yrs on the road my engine and frame ONCE looked that good. Now, I would have to pull the engine and tear it down just to restore it cosmetically. Doesn't matter thatthe engine runs great, but if you waant that look that is what yoou will need to do.
Unless you are someone with golden hands, who can use machine tools and form brackets, or know somebody who can you are at the mercy of finding people to work on Studebakers'.
Todays Service Station owner is of the age where they had served in Nam, cars had taken huge leaps in design and manufacturing and while before they went over to serve their country to the time they returned they forgot about the $50 first cars they got in high school, and over these 35 years certain proceedures on a Stude mystify them. Open any Service Manual to the Brake section 47 thru 61. The paragraph that states that before adjusting the brakes you need 3/8ths free travel at the pedal. You and I know that that is done at the M/C, then you can proceed to adjust.
That paragraph or proceedure totally mystifies them, it can't work that way. The self adjusters with that little package of parts, nah that can't adjust the brakes, and whats with the two lop sided screws on the back of the backing plate, thats not how you adjust brakes.
What I am getting at, is that there are many things as Studebaker owners we understand, or accept, or take for granted but normal service folks cannot grasp.
Bottom line, buying your first Studebaker, make sure you really love it and really want it, no sense taking something on, loosing interest and then see it rot away or sell it at a huge loss.
Our chapter went to visit a famous classic car restoration facility in NYC. There was a Gold 57 Hawk that got hit in the nose and then clipped in the rear quarter. While we were standing there a "body man" comes over to the Hawk with a SAWSALL, we all start screaming. What are you doing. The owner gets defensive and says they have to remove the damaged sheet metal and weld in new patches. First, we explained the sheet metal bolts on, then we told him that he still could get NOS sheet metal, he was flabbergasted.
So, if your buying your first Studebaker, READ, learn about the car and if your really serious buy original copies of the Service Manual, and both parts books. Study them, even if your just going to write out big checks to have it worked on, you will know if your getting a snow job, and if your doing it, it won't be a mystery
Bill
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