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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / October 2005Another gun rant from the north (G)
Here it is another hunting season,Ive got a new 4WD ,but I can't carry a gun because when I was 20 years old I punched out a guy who slapped my then girlfreind in a bar. Since he did lose a few teeth,it was called Indictable common assault,which is the same as a felony in the US.I even went half way through the hoops they wanted me to jump through to get a "pardon" but found out it still wouldn't help. Now theres been another rash of shootings by gangs in Toronto and Montreal,and even closer to home in Halifax,where crimes involved with guns are way up. When Conda Rice visited the other day our Prime Minister Paul Martin had the gall to say to her that the problem is to many illegal guns being smuggled in from the US. Thats right Paul, blame the Americans for the vast blackhole of tax payers money you and your cronies set up as a gun registry, thats only effect other than waste money is to nearly destroy the hunting and outfitters business.Hunting license sales are way down again,and I bet its the young people who just arn't bothering with all the hassel of owning a gun in Canada. I guess they'll never get it, CRIMINALS HAVE GUNS,you can't stop them. By disarming the population (or trying to) your only making us all less safe. The gun registry sure didn't help those four young Mounties in Alberta one whit. sh.t I forgot the (OT) > Here it is another hunting season,Ive got a new 4WD ,but I can't carry a > gun because when I was 20 years old I punched out a guy who slapped my [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The gun registry sure didn't help those four young Mounties in Alberta one > whit. Well sh.t.. Add it! Jeff (BANG! BANG!BANG! BANG!BANG! BANG!click,click ) Rice "Robert Black" wrote... > sh.t I forgot the (OT) Amen brother - amen. Gun registration will NEVER work. It's sorta' like prohibition. If folks wanted a snort - they got it no matter what the laws were. >Here it is another hunting season,Ive got a new 4WD ,but I can't carry a gun >because when I was 20 years old I punched out a guy who slapped my then >girlfreind in a bar. Somwhere in this house I... ME actually have a real hunting rifle, with scope and fancy leather case. My old flight instructor supplemented his winter income working on fire arms. Our version of gun control in this house, is to mis-place it. Guns are fine - it's the small percentage of idiots who screw it up for the rest5 pof the population, often with fatal results. A certificate from a registered school / trainer should be required for purchase. Real names need not be used, but photo on certificate is required. Getting caught with a gun while loaded (user, that is) means loss of certificate so going to school again is needed. Gun held at school until class passed. Ah, something along that line. Karl. That'll stop the crackheads and gang bangers from buying and carrying guns. I like the idea of everyone being able to carry a concealed weapon. That way nobody knows whether or not the person they're confronting has the ability to fire back. The only people that are registered or licensed to carry a concealed weapon aren't the people you have to worry about. It's the 14 year old street kid who wants to look cool and has no worry about putting a "cap in your a.s" or the losers who shoot up school playgrounds because someone laughed at them yesterday. Lee > Guns are fine - it's the small percentage of idiots who screw it up for > the rest5 pof the population, often with fatal results. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Karl. Gee, Lee, I guess you're against driving schools, too. Someone else might, for the fun of it, want to own a gun, but knowing that having to passing a test is needed, doesn't. That night, his house is broken into and the gun that isn't there isn't stolen and sold on to your nut in the school yard. I've had, used, or had access to guns, like most other folks, 22s. 8mms. 38s, 45s and so on starting at the age of ten or so. What with my moves, I no longer have anything. Too much trouble trying to keep the varius places I've lived safe. One I had back in Mass. was under the cover to the drain access in the basement! It was in a watertight case. Karl > That'll stop the crackheads and gang bangers from buying and carrying guns. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Lee No... no problems with driving schools. I'm wondering how many criminals won't have a gun because they couldn't pass a test in your world. What's your solution for the millions of unregistered guns already out there? If I don't pass your test, are you going to confiscate all of my guns... and how will you know that you've got them all? I too had guns from the age of 10 years old... I wasn't allowed to own a BB gun but could walk through town and out into the country with a .22 semi-automatic and 100 round brick of shells. Lee > Gee, Lee, I guess you're against driving schools, too. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Karl > No... no problems with driving schools. > > I'm wondering how many criminals won't have a gun because they couldn't pass > a test in your world. The example I showed resulted in one less gun stolen, and perhaps one less gun used by some nut to kill someone. Or one less gun which killed a gun due to it being out of sight when five year old cousins are playing. No all have the training and sense that of you. KDH What's your solution for the millions of unregistered > guns already out there? If I don't pass your test, are you going to > confiscate all of my guns... and how will you know that you've got them all? Guns are locked up when found and returned when course / test is passed. A good instructor and apt student might be done in a half day. KDH > I too had guns from the age of 10 years old... I wasn't allowed to own a BB > gun but could walk through town and out into the country with a .22 > semi-automatic and 100 round brick of shells. Damn! I forgot Red Ryder. Dad (who has a 45 'tril MN om made him get rid of it (nosey me ,might have had something to do with that) built built a small range in the cellar for BB carbine and fake 45. Thank for the memory. KDH > Lee > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > Karl I'm wondering how many criminals won't have a gun because they couldn't pass........... >>a test in your world. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > KDH > By this "logic" (as poorly written as it is) ... what's to keep the criminals from breaking into this Training Center- and stealing HUNDREDS of guns at one time? Or is the Government going to spend millions of taxpayer dollars for 24hr security, cameras, motion detectors, etc.... ? How many National-Guard armories have been broken into- and much more dangerous weapons stolen? (I personally know of 3).... They had a f**king TANK stolen for christsakes! FACE FACTS- you, me, the government- simply cannot STOP criminals from aquiring weapons to pray upon the innocent. Take away the guns, they'll bring a knife (try stopping knife-possession) , or homemade bomb, ... you can make a f**king gun capable of killing someone- in an afternoon, with very little equipment. If YOU want to be defenseless- that's fine with me.... If MY 5-yr-old found one of my guns and shot himself or a playmate... You need to lock me up and throw away the key for being a Dumb-a.s! It would be MY FAULT- noone elses... not the GUN, not the GOVERNMENT, and not my CHILD's.... If people would be held PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for anything these days, we wouldn't have this problem. (or a myriad of other problems either...) Ray I wonder and smile thinking about the criminals whose careers were cut short.... "Studeman" wrote... I'm wondering how many criminals won't have a gun because they couldn't pass........... a test in your world. The example I showed resulted in one less gun stolen, and perhaps one less gun used by some nut to kill someone. Or one less gun which killed a gun due to it being out of sight when five year old cousins are playing. No all have the training and sense that of you. KDH By this "logic" (as poorly written as it is) ... what's to keep the criminals from breaking into this Training Center- and stealing HUNDREDS of guns at one time? Or is the Government going to spend millions of taxpayer dollars for 24hr security, cameras, motion detectors, etc.... ? How many National-Guard armories have been broken into- and much more dangerous weapons stolen? (I personally know of 3).... They had a f**king TANK stolen for christsakes! FACE FACTS- you, me, the government- simply cannot STOP criminals from aquiring weapons to pray upon the innocent. Take away the guns, they'll bring a knife (try stopping knife-possession) , or homemade bomb, ... you can make a f**king gun capable of killing someone- in an afternoon, with very little equipment. If YOU want to be defenseless- that's fine with me.... If MY 5-yr-old found one of my guns and shot himself or a playmate... You need to lock me up and throw away the key for being a Dumb-a.s! It would be MY FAULT- noone elses... not the GUN, not the GOVERNMENT, and not my CHILD's.... If people would be held PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for anything these days, we wouldn't have this problem. (or a myriad of other problems either...) Ray I wonder and don't smile about the violent criminals whose sentences are cut short. We just had a murderer sentenced to life plus 30 years, eligible for parole in 25 years... wtf is the point? If the judge and jury thought the guy was vile enough for life + an additional 30 rotting in his cell why an offer of parole? > I wonder and smile thinking about the criminals whose careers were cut > short.... Hey, Ray, Please look through your message and mine. Now, tell me where, with the exception of gun safety training being required, my position is in conflict with what the NRA recommends? Where did I mention training center? (Interestingly enough, I'll be working in a NG training center in a couple weeks.) Where did I mention keeping guns away from criminals, except those they get from theft from someone who did not make them reasonable difficult to steal? Does the concept of gun owner's responsibility mean anything? Come on, Ray. I'm waiting for answers. Karl > I'm wondering how many criminals won't have a gun because they couldn't > pass........... [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Ray Are you going to be conducting a gun license training seminar at that NG training center? Maybe you could run your ideas past the class. You still haven't answered my question of what to do with the millions of existing unregistered guns on the street legally and illegally owned? Many of which are in the hands of people who will never register them even if your idea were to become law. What's to keep some honest citizen from using a registered gun in a criminal manner... people do this everyday, they have to get arrested a first time sometime. Is this like putting the guns in a "lock box"? I think that idea's already been suggested for something else and the person got laughed off the stage. Lee Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye. Again I say, I am not making a proposal that involves (directly) controlling criminals. (You did not point out where I had.) That's like asking someone advocating car alarms how the cars already stolen would be recovered, I am merely trying to cut down on accidential deaths from guns due to mishandling, including poor storage by training new owners of guns in the ways of safety. Thereby, I am trying to cut down on criminals obtaining guns stored where the "Smash and Grab" crowd can get them. They hoods might get the gun from the house next door, but the person who owns the gun that they couldn't find will not have the guilt that the person who carelessly stored the gun that was used to murder should. Oh, am I right about the NRA agreeing with me that gun owners should be taught proper handling and storage, Lee? To answer your questions, as I am sure yoiu will answer mine, I woj't be at the NG center to train on gun safety. I don't even know if they train regarding guns in the house. I expect that a good trainer would, though. I'm not going after the gun owners already out there, either. If somewone wants to buy another gun, they will have to prove that they have taken such a course. <aybe even a simple Q&A night do, but I doubt it. I never said anything about registering guns. A good honest person does not use a gun in a criminal manner. Add the word "apparently" and you'll have a good question. Regarding lockboxes: it's like putting an alarm on a car, locking the transmission in two gears, removing the rotor, and so on. Unless the guy is after that particular car, he'll go elsewhere. If the criminal wants that specific gun, he will get it. If he just wants a gun, he will find another at the sloppy neighbour. Do you want to be the safe neighbor or the sloppy one and suffer loss and perhaps guilt? Looking foreward to hearing from you on all points, Lee. Letb me know if I missed anything you wrote. Karl (On one car, I had the electric fuel pump connected to the windshield washer.) Haas > Are you going to be conducting a gun license training seminar at that > NG training center? Maybe you could run your ideas past the class. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Lee Damn that was almost hard to read. Does the NRA also want gun owners to be certified in proper handling and storage? Considering I could walk into damn near any house with guns in it and probably come away with one in about three minutes doesn't make every gun owner a bad person. Where would I start looking once entering the house? First the master bedroom night stand, second under the bed in the master bedroom, third the master bedroom closet, 4th any room that look like it was the "man of the house" decorated room. Should I be required to keep my guns, in my house, under lock and key? What do I have an intruder... hope I can find the keys to unlock the trigger lock on a gun inside a gun safe that takes me at least a minute to open? Or reach under the bed and grab the shotgun, do what I need to do, and then call 911 and DynaClean to come get blood and brains out of the carpet and sheetrock. I believe what you're asking gun purchasing owners to do is already being done. If I go buy a rifle, shotgun or pistol I have to fill out at least one page of questions before I can walk out of the store with it. If I buy one from a guy through the paper I hand him cash and he hands me the gun. Both legal transactions. Lee > Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye. > Again I say, I am not making a proposal that involves (directly) [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >> >> Lee Do you object to someone having to have an arms safety training course? Do you object to someone having to learn about the US to become a citizen? I just want folks to have knowledge. What they do with that knowledge will depend upon their view of their circumstances. I don't want to hear and crybaby "I didn't know that" after some innocent person is dead with their gun. What is you specific objection, anyhow? (PS How does the NRA feel about gun safety training? I didn't catch your answer.) Karl > Damn that was almost hard to read. > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > >> > >> Lee > Do you object to someone having to have an arms safety training course? The way you asked... yes. I object someone "having to have", I think it should be voluntary. There's no way you're going to get 20%, much less 100%, of current gun owners to comply so why bother. > Do you object to someone having to learn about the US to become a > citizen? No, in fact I think they should be required to be able to communicate in basic English before becoming a citizen. The current system isn't tough enough as is. > I just want folks to have knowledge. What they do with that knowledge > will depend upon their view of their circumstances. You want that knowledge to be a requirement before purchasing a gun. If someone refuses to take your test, what difference will it make if he has 57 guns instead of 58 because he refused to take the test? Just because someone sits through your course and passes... what's to keep him from keeping a loaded pistol in an unlocked nightstand when he gets his new purchase home? > I don't want to hear and crybaby "I didn't know that" after some > innocent person is dead with their gun. How often do you hear that now? If current gun owners who don't plan to ever purchase another gun don't have to take your exam, what will change? > What is you specific objection, anyhow? My objection is with your idiotic idea of requiring an exam to purchase a gun. The fact that you somehow justify a license that doesn't require a name but does require a picture on it. I object to your insistance that if someone doesn't like how I keep my guns that they will confiscate everyone of my guns (if they can locate them all) until I sit through some Defensive Driving type course to get them back. Obviously, you don't trust the gun registration process currently in place. Also, your exam will do absolutely nothing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. > (PS How does the NRA feel about gun safety training? I didn't catch > your answer.) I didn't answer your question for two reasons, I don't know... because I am not an NRA member. I never mentioned the NRA, you did... so why don't you find out the answer for yourself. Lee > Karl > [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] >> >> >> >> Lee Well, I think that all that I have proposed has been understood by anyone who has followed this, as has your stand. I also, somehow, feel that you know how the NRA feels about gun safety training. If you don't, you are probably one of the few people interested in guns that doesn't. By the way, I was messing around with a WWI Luger a couple of months ago, owned by a fellow SDC member. Quite nice, but expensive. My ears are harmed enough from R&B followed by R&R, gun fire, stean plants, shipboard Diesels and race car pit time. Sorry for typing problems. Not a typist and no depth perception, so my big fingers hit the wrong keys on occasion. Karl > > Do you object to someone having to have an arms safety training course? > [quoted text clipped - 138 lines] > >> >> > >> >> Lee Well you'd be wrong on how much I know about the NRA and gun safety training... I don't know and really don't care. If I did I'd do a Google search right now. Lee > Well, I think that all that I have proposed has been understood by > anyone who has followed this, as has your stand. [quoted text clipped - 192 lines] >> >> >> >> >> >> Lee On 29 Oct 2005 00:44:33 -0700, you wrote: >By the way, I was messing around with a WWI Luger a couple of months >ago, owned by a fellow SDC member. Quite nice, but expensive. My ears >are harmed enough from R&B followed by R&R, gun fire, stean plants, >shipboard Diesels and race car pit time. took daughter to a public range near me for 2 hours of shooting.. she had a 22, and I had a 'bigger''.. in the next spot over from me, the guy was shooting a 375 H&H and a 470 magnum.,.. never heard them much.. I wear BOTH ear plus AND muffs on top.. --Shiva-- I think the problem we have here in the states with gun violence shows how effective gun control laws are. Too many feel good laws passed making it next to impossible for law abiding citizens enjoy their right to hunt, target shoot or protect themselves without running afoul of some local or state law. The only thing we need is a safety training course and no violent criminal past. Criminals don't give a damn about the laws and will always have access...not much we can do about that other than make sure when they're given prison time they serve every day of it. It's hunting season here...time to paint the dog day-glo orange ;) > Gee, Lee, I guess you're against driving schools, too. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >>Lee Like the late, great, Robert A. Heinlein said, "An armed society is a polite society". Jeff DeWitt > That'll stop the crackheads and gang bangers from buying and carrying guns. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >>Karl. Gun control is being able to put two bullets in the same hole. >>Here it is another hunting season,Ive got a new 4WD ,but I can't carry a gun >>because when I was 20 years old I punched out a guy who slapped my then [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > supplemented his winter income working on fire arms. Our version of > gun control in this house, is to mis-place it.  SignatureRemove all the x's to email. The only label that fits: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_6966.shtml "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." ---Teddy Roosevelt, 1918 1953 Starlight Coupe 1954 Starlight Coupe R1/4-speed 1958 Silver Hawk 1960 Frua Italia Larks (2 - they're here!) 1962 Lark VI 1962 Lark Convertible 1963 Avanti R2 R4324 1963 Lark Cruiser (R2 3/4 clone in progress) 1963 GT Hawk 1963 Daytona Wagonaire 1964 Cruiser (Survivor) 1956 2E7 2004 Porsche Carrera 4S 2000 Ducati 748 2002 Jeep Overland http://homepage.mac.com/pdrnec/PhotoAlbum81.html One more statement like that will be sufficient cause for your liberal card to be revoked! <G> JT > Gun control is being able to put two bullets in the same hole. > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > 2002 Jeep Overland > http://homepage.mac.com/pdrnec/PhotoAlbum81.html Messed up the label, eh? Hell, some of us like firepower. You need to check this guy out - http://www.bigeddieradio.com/ Could change your outlook. <G> > One more statement like that will be sufficient cause for your liberal > card to be revoked! [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >>2002 Jeep Overland >>http://homepage.mac.com/pdrnec/PhotoAlbum81.html SignatureRemove all the x's to email. The only label that fits: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_6966.shtml "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." ---Teddy Roosevelt, 1918 1953 Starlight Coupe 1954 Starlight Coupe R1/4-speed 1958 Silver Hawk 1960 Frua Italia Larks (2 - they're here!) 1962 Lark VI 1962 Lark Convertible 1963 Avanti R2 R4324 1963 Lark Cruiser (R2 3/4 clone in progress) 1963 GT Hawk 1963 Daytona Wagonaire 1964 Cruiser (Survivor) 1956 2E7 2004 Porsche Carrera 4S 2000 Ducati 748 2002 Jeep Overland http://homepage.mac.com/pdrnec/PhotoAlbum81.html Just remember, home defence starts at 500 meters!!! I own a 1917 Swedish Mauser rifle. Kicks very hard. However it is the most accurate rifle I have ever owned. The interior of the barrell looks like it has been chrome plated. ( a good sign). The Bolt is made of nickle steel. I cannot detect a mill mark on it. How was that level of craftsmanship achieved in 1917??? I am indeed grateful to be able to take it to the range when I want, without fear of some administrative a.shole stopping me. When I go to the range, I keep Oklahoma free from invasion of paper targets. I must be doing well, because no one in Oklahoma has been injured by a paper target. Jim > Here it is another hunting season,Ive got a new 4WD ,but I can't carry a > gun because when I was 20 years old I punched out a guy who slapped my [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The gun registry sure didn't help those four young Mounties in Alberta one > whit. Gun control is another of Karl Marx' stupid ideas which was never intended to control crime. Like most of his other ideas, the purpose is to control people. Criminals are no threat to despots, armed citizens are! Wide open borders are another one of his ideas, along with "free" trade, cenrtralized banking, elimination of religious freedom, federal control of public schools, etc. Barry'd in Studes > Just remember, home defence starts at 500 meters!!! > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > The gun registry sure didn't help those four young Mounties in Alberta one > > whit. Barry, Do you have any early Flight-O-Matics that take the fixed yoke and have oil cooler lines? JT > Gun control is another of Karl Marx' stupid ideas which was never intended > to control crime. Like most of his other ideas, the purpose is to control [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > one > > > whit. Sounds like a sweet Mauser - 500m? That's it? It is actually better than the average hunter in Western Oregon - someone was crowing to me a couple of years ago about a "fantastic shot at 100 yards!". I then told him what ranges we US Army snipers learn to shoot at... we were raised out in the country, stacks of hunting rifles in the corner by the fireplace, boxes of ammo on the shelf above, front door was never locked, but our dogs were never leashed, either. Now I live in town, and the door is locked, as are the firearms. Such is the price of living in a more modern, enlightened society. To quote Cesare Beccaria from "On Crimes and Punishment"(1764), "Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." Gun control is front sight, front sight, squeeze the trigger - people control is "sign up and hand them in, you can't be trusted by big brother". Thanks for letting me put 2 of my cents in (I have more), Dan (Yes, I AM an NRA Life Member) Kay US Army (Ret.) 61 Lark Regal Dan: How is your brother Don doing? Where is he now? BP Well, Don got bit/stung by something in the desert, nobody knows what, his right hand started swelling up to the elbow, he started breaking out in large, raised lumps all over, his left ankle swelled so he couldn't feel the bones in it and he has a constant, massive headache. None of the "docs" over there had a clue, but pumped him with different drugs until the swelling went down. He is back in the States now (wouldn't send him to Germany, just back to his Air Guard unit), and he is fighting with the medical hacks as well as his unit REMF's to get the medical paperwork done - they want him to report to work, even with all the paperwork from Iraq saying he is screwed up! Damn desk jockeys! He really appreciated all the mags you guys sent over, and the rest of his buddies did, too. > Dan: How is your brother Don doing? Where is he now? BP > I must be doing well, because no one in Oklahoma has been injured by a paper > target. I got a paper cut once. SignatureDave Lester Dave's Place Home of the Internationally Renowned Studebakers, 'Sheba and Goliath See pictures at www.davesplaceinc.com >>I must be doing well, because no one in Oklahoma has been injured by a > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I got a paper cut once. Oh great, does that mean we need paper control now? <G> Jeff DeWitt >>>I must be doing well, because no one in Oklahoma has been injured by a >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh great, does that mean we need paper control now? <G> Jeff DeWitt Maybe Karl can start a paper training class. In order to get a newspaper subscription you'll have to take a class and if you don't put it in the recycle bin he'll cancel your subscription until you pass a recycling class... and your paper license won't have your name on it but will have your picture. Lee Yes, it's a bummer that you can't get a pardon after all these years. But lets look at murders number. Canada in 2003 548 Murders U.S. in 1997 18,209 Murders Looks like you guys are doing something right. > Here it is another hunting season,Ive got a new 4WD ,but I can't carry a > gun because when I was 20 years old I punched out a guy who slapped my [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The gun registry sure didn't help those four young Mounties in Alberta one > whit. In the US, a convicted felon can apply for return of rights. It is done on a case-by-case basis. It ain't easy. Karl I think it should be based on the crime the person was convicted of. If non violent, it should be easier to get the right back. I am no fan of Mark Furman of OJ fame but it seems unfair that he cannot have a gun because he was convicted of perjury. > In the US, a convicted felon can apply for return of rights. > It is done on a case-by-case basis. > > It ain't easy. > > Karl I'll add my 3 cents on this topic. It is my belief that nobody should have their rights stripped because they were convicted of a non-violent crime. For example say someone is charged with "uttering and publishing" (bad check charge) over $100. Not a violent crime but here in Michigan its a felony. A person that gets convicted of that has the same long term rights stripped as a guy who commits manslaughter. Why do I use this example? Currently I am being charged with that. Did I do it? No. (don't worry guys my checks are good). What happened was a neighbor who's place I hauled scrap iron off of this spring, around that time had checks stolen from the residence on their property. I never even set foot inside the house but just me being over there in that time frame was enough to get arrested. I have hired a good attorney to fight this since I didnt do it, but the police didnt even bother to run a handwriting analysis before they arrested me. If they had done so they would of found out my innocence. Right now its hard to pay for a good lawyer given my health situation, but all I can think of is those who cant afford one period or somebody who believes the the joke of a court appointed lawyer and gets convicted - thus loosing rights that shouldnt be taken away! Kent Some people are going to find things even worse. Imagine that several decades you, and other on the team, "mooned" the cheerleaders. You got convicted of public nudity. A year from now you might receive a notice from the legal system to come down and be fitted with an ankle bracelet so they can keep track of your location - you are a convicted sexual pervert and a danger to the youth of the community! Don't walk the streets - there may be a kid's birthday party in one of those houses and you might walk by it. Clunk! Karl (Feel free to check this out with your local PD. Your interest might prevent it.) Haas > I'll add my 3 cents on this topic. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Kent You have one active imagination. Lee > Some people are going to find things even worse. > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> >> Kent Thank you, that's why for one company I was a Program Manager (technical), Buyer, Instructor, Development Engineer, gofer, test engineer, proposal writer and other things I have forgotton. One project was for a battery (eventually consing the custoimed $10 each) that no other firm would handle. The device it was to power failed the shake/rattle/rool test! But, if your referring to the proposed laws concerning the sex offender, the cop you checked with ain't up to date with what's facing him. Karl > You have one active imagination. > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >> > >> Kent Who said anything about me checking with a cop? The same person who said that I know what the NRA standing is on gun safety training? Lee <SNIP> > But, if your referring to the proposed laws concerning the sex > offender, the cop you checked with ain't up to date with what's facing [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Lee The reason Canada has the lower numbers in the gun killings is that Canada is mainly French. Everybody knows the French are the best "gun droppers and surrenders" in the world. Jim (I can feel the flames now, but it was too good to pass up) > Here it is another hunting season,Ive got a new 4WD ,but I can't carry a > gun because when I was 20 years old I punched out a guy who slapped my [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The gun registry sure didn't help those four young Mounties in Alberta one > whit. Well, Robert. If this issue really grabs you, you know what you have to do. When the next federal election comes along, and it ain't going to be long; you've got to vote Conservative, and you've got to convince all your friends and co-workers to vote Conservative. They are the only party that is on record as being opposed to the currrent idiotic gun registry, and the only party that MIGHT dismantle said gun registry. The registry was instituted by Liberals, and supported by the NDP and Bloc Quebecois, and none of those potlickers are going to say anything against it, and if they did, they couldn't be trusted to act on their promises anyway. Vote ANY other way but Conservative, and all you are doing is telling the Liberals, "please don't $crew me up the @$$ again, aah, I like it, I like It!" And I don't belong to the Conservative party, and I have issues with some of their policies, but all the others are worse. And apologies to the rest of the NGers for injecting Canadian partisan politics into an OT rant. <G> Gord Richmond |
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