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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / November 2005Still a mystery..
Got a chance today to look at the mystery motor in the CE. No indian head, no names I can see. Only the large "P" on the head. The serial number pad is on the left front of the block, and the numbers are fairly large and well stamped, beginning with a "T". Rear dump exhaust manifold and the carb is no help as it has an adapter and a two barrel Bendix/Stromberg variation the likes of which I haven't seen in years. A copy (sort of) of an old 94/97. The tranny is a top shifter with a plate (not cast) type top and eight bolts. They hacked up the floor to get the shifter to clear but it looks like all this mess was never finished or even fired up. No fuel pump, an empty hole in the block that at first glance looks like a rod exit hole; two bolt and flush with the block and a weird bolt pattern. Anyone got any ideas? Studebaker George I have seen Plymouth flat head 6's w/ a "P" on the head. My CE came w/o any engine or trans at all, but I found a deal on the entire running gear from a '39 Commander on ebay last year dirt cheap. The seller stated that it must be picked up in Cincinnati, so most buyers stayed away from it. I grabbed between Spring Carlisle & SB last year. Price was $144.00 total, & the owner helped load it up while a local cop visited with us & talked cars. He had noticed the 2 Studes on the trailer, & had to get a look. I already had a 245, though, which will probably go in the truck, coupled to a T5. Barry''d in Studes > Got a chance today to look at the mystery motor in the CE. No indian > head, no names I can see. Only the large "P" on the head. The serial [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > with the block and a weird bolt pattern. Anyone got any ideas? > Studebaker George Barry, this car is missing things like vent window assemblies, side panels under the hood, door panels, and most of the dash. Have you got any of these? Anyone else? Studebaker George A 1937 Packard six is a possibility. Looking through some older material for that "T" prefix, I see Packard used a T that year only. Numbers start at 1500 or 1526 depending on which source you choose to believe. There's a '37 Packard Six in a brochure at http://www.oldcarmanual.com/ . It is shown with a center exhaust outlet, for what it is worth. They have other brochures. It might be worth looking at "possibles" for similarities. Some of the engine pictures are pretty good. Mike M. The Packard 6 engine I have has "Packard" in raised letters on the head. I considered usiing it for my CE, but is is a little longer than the Stude big 6 engine. As I recall, the Packard jr. series came out in '35, with 115C 6's & 120 models w/ 282 8's. The Packard 6 is same engine as used in some White trucks of the era, I have been told. Barry'd in Studes > There's a '37 Packard Six in a brochure at http://www.oldcarmanual.com/ . > It is shown with a center exhaust outlet, for what it is worth. They have > other brochures. It might be worth looking at "possibles" for similarities. > Some of the engine pictures are pretty good. > Mike M. I have an extra dash, but clear plastic is shot on speedo. I may have an extra vent window from a sedan if it is same, and maybe side panels. Barry'd in Studes > Barry, this car is missing things like vent window assemblies, side > panels under the hood, door panels, and most of the dash. Have you got > any of these? Anyone else? > Studebaker George My next door neigbor is a "know it all", there are times you want to get up on a ladder and shoot him in the balls. Everytime he sees a Studebaker Flathead, I hear the same line............ " ah, an old International", and then he goes off on the international line of engines. The other day I got that collectible automobile magazine and they had an article on an Erskine delivery truck, In it was an International engine, There are a number of cosmetic differences, but if you did not have a Stude engine next to it to compare you could call it a Studebaker, Packard or International. BG >finished or even fired up. No fuel pump, an empty hole in the block >that at first glance looks like a rod exit hole; two bolt and flush >with the block and a weird bolt pattern. Anyone got any ideas? >Studebaker George An Erskine with an IHC engine. Now, that's a new one? Bo Perhaps this guy spoke closer to the truth than you think....The 27 to 29 Erskines used "Continental" 8f/9f engines. Continental produced engines for a number of independent makes, including many commercial vehicles. Not sure if they made engines for International but it's possible. > An Erskine with an IHC engine. Now, that's a new one? > > Bo Continental engines were used in at least some of the Kaisers if not all. Some of these engines were equipped with the Mc Cullough supercharger. jimmijim jimmijim8@yahoo.com jimmij...@yahoo.com wrote: > Continental engines were used in at least some of the Kaisers if not > all. Some of these engines were equipped with the Mc Cullough > supercharger. jimmijim jimmijim8@yahoo.com All of them, IIRC Karl (formerly Southern NE ZM, KFOC) Haas > My next door neigbor is a "know it all", there are times you want to > get up on a ladder and shoot him in the balls. No way would I mess with anyone that big! Karl |
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