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Car Forum / Antique and Collectibles / Studebaker / February 2009Transmission side open to elements?
Hello All- while under the front of my '62 Hawk I noticed some strange things on the transmission. This Hawk was originally a manual 4 speed, but at some time was changed to a start in second automatic. first I noticed that the transmission was not bolted to the transmission support. The bolts come down through the support, but there are no nuts holding it in place. The other thing is there is a 4"X6" opening on the lower right side of the bell housing; the large rounded section just behind the engine. I can see the gears that the starter lines up to. There is also an open 1" round hole at dead center bottom; maybe a drain hole? Anybody seen this before? Tony >Hello All- >while under the front of my '62 Hawk I noticed some strange things on >the transmission. This Hawk was originally a manual 4 speed, but at >some time was changed to a start in second automatic. All later Studebaker Flight-o-matics start in 2nd gear. Only the powershift and some truck and 6-cylinder Automatics start in 1st. There are some Flight-o-matics around that have been converted, or someone has switched to another similar automatiic such as the FMX. >first I noticed >that the transmission was not bolted to the transmission support. It's not supposed to be. the only "transmission mounts" are the (2) located at the rear of the bellhousing. The driver's side should have a 1/2" spacer between the mount and the crossmember. > The bolts come down through the support, but there are no nuts holding it >in place. If you are talking about the short-arched support under the bellhousing (inside the framerails)- you need nuts on the studs >The other thing is there is a 4"X6" opening on the lower right side of >the bell housing; the large rounded section just behind the engine. >I can see the gears that the starter lines up to. This is an access- it is supposed to be covered by (2) sheetmetal splash covers. > There is also an >open 1" round hole at dead center bottom; maybe a drain hole? >Anybody seen this before? Yep- Drain for the torque Converter plug Ray >Tony > > Thanks- Yup- It is the studs that pass through the short-arched support that are missing the nuts/washers. I guess I will need to track down some splash guards eventually. Does the round drain hole need a plug or is it left open? Thanks again and Happy Holidays >Thanks- >Yup- It is the studs that pass through the short-arched support that >are missing the nuts/washers. Be SURE you have the spacer on the DRIVERS Side! (larger round washer ~1/2" thick). Many folks leave it out- and they have linkage, and motor mount problems. > I guess I will need to track down some >splash guards eventually. Does the round drain hole need a plug or is >it left open? It's left open.... The torque converter has a drain plug in it. You just align it with that hole when you service the transmission. Have a BIG drain pan because the tranny/TQ hold about 9-quarts! I have several spare sets of the splashguards.... $10 to your door send me your snailmail addy.... >Thanks again and Happy Holidays > You too.... Ray Ray, you didn't mention that these splashguards do NOT block air flow into the bellhousing. They are intended to keep mud and debris out while allowing a a free flow of air. I don't think Tony is aware that the Flightomatic has an air-cooled torque convertor. Even the HD automatics with cooler lines to the rad still take advantage of the air cooling to the torque convertor. Gord Richmond Hi Studeman, I have a stude c cab V8 with the big opening on the right side of the bell housing. Always wondered what went there. Please let me know how to buy a set of splashguards from you. My name is Warren Smith, cell # 702 353-7591, my e-mail is warren[AT]biffy[DOT]com. BTW, does the 1/2 inch spacer only go on the drivers side mount and not the passenger side? Narcosis >>Thanks- >>Yup- It is the studs that pass through the short-arched support that [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >You too.... >Ray Powershift starts in second. Bo >>Hello All- >>while under the front of my '62 Hawk I noticed some strange things on [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >>Tony Yea... I was thinking that too since mine does.. JT > Powershift starts in second. > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > > >>Tony Can the 1st gear start throttle bodies be used in a powershift? > Yea... I was thinking that too since mine does.. > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >>> >>>>Tony  SignatureRemove all the x's to email. The only label that fits: http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_6966.shtml "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." ---Teddy Roosevelt, 1918 1953 Starlight Coupe 1954 Starlight Coupe R1/4-speed 1958 Silver Hawk 1960 Frua Italia Larks (2 - they're here!) 1962 Lark VI 1962 Lark Convertible 1963 Avanti R2 R4324 1963 Lark Cruiser (R2 3/4 clone in progress) 1963 GT Hawk 1963 Daytona Wagonaire 1964 Cruiser (Survivor) 1956 2E7 2004 Porsche Carrera 4S 2000 Ducati 748 2002 Jeep Overland http://homepage.mac.com/pdrnec/PhotoAlbum81.html I am told it will not work. >Can the 1st gear start throttle bodies be used in a powershift? > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >>>> >>>>>Tony Lee DeLaBarre Daytona62 No, the two are different configuration. Bo > Can the 1st gear start throttle bodies be used in a powershift? > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >>>> >>>>>Tony AMC used Borg-Warner thru '72.....and had their version of powershift......did it also start in 2nd! AMC starts in first, also has vacuum modulator and (some at least) an electric kickdown. This transmission is one of John Metzker's favorites to replace the Powershift. Tim K. > AMC used Borg-Warner thru '72.....and had their version of > powershift......did it also start in 2nd! No, because the shift pattern is different than that of a Flight-O-Matic. Also, the pattern is reversed since one is a direct link floor shift. F-O-M PNDLR PowerShift PRND21 JT > Can the 1st gear start throttle bodies be used in a powershift? > [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > 2002 Jeep Overland > http://homepage.mac.com/pdrnec/PhotoAlbum81.html AFAIR the only difference between the H.D. first gear start FlightoMatic and the regular ones were the control valve, the governor, and a couple of other internal parts. I also recall that the Powershift units had many parts that were different. At one time I posted the differences, but anybody can determine the differences for themselves by simply going thru the parts list for the various trannies. -- wf. > Can the 1st gear start throttle bodies be used in a powershift? > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > 1 Are you sure that only taxis recieved the first gear start automatics? The auto in my 60 Champ has first gear start, and I thought that other cars with HD FOM had first gear start also. Nick Trucks originally equipped with automatic transmissions were first gear start. JT > Are you sure that only taxis recieved the first gear start automatics? > The auto in my 60 Champ has first gear start, and I thought that other > cars with HD FOM had first gear start also. > > Nick On 11 Dec 2005 15:50:18 -0800, you wrote: >Are you sure that only taxis recieved the first gear start automatics? >The auto in my 60 Champ has first gear start, and I thought that other >cars with HD FOM had first gear start also. > >Nick my 6 cyl zip van starts in 1st --Shiva-- From an earlier post: > 1551393 Tran. Assy. Y1, Y3, P3, F3 61V,62V,63V,64V -- wf. > Are you sure that only taxis recieved the first gear start automatics? > The auto in my 60 Champ has first gear start, and I thought that other > cars with HD FOM had first gear start also. > > Nick True. AFAIR the only V8 FlightoMatic that start in first gear are the taxi units. They have a different control valve and governor than the standard FlightoMatic do. The part numbers are in the parts book of course. -- wf. > Powershift starts in second. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > > > Ray I thought the police specials had them also. > True. AFAIR the only V8 FlightoMatic that start in first gear are the > taxi units. They have a different control valve and governor than the [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> > >> > Ray |
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